http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#fe38eb97-0e42-46be-870e-3788f8eac6cf BWAHAHAAAHAAHHAAAAAHAAHHA! Psycho. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:19:10 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#fe38eb97-0e42-46be-870e-3788f8eac6cf Wendy 2009-06-26T19:19:10Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#ac70d2dd-ee57-48a1-87c6-e84673480ceb So Ms Wendy is it the KKK you are a member of or the American Nazis? What ever you are a member of the hate behind the stares and strips, of the american flay. You can hate all the jews, and the blacks and the fags. So long as you pray and salute the flag. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:09:19 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#ac70d2dd-ee57-48a1-87c6-e84673480ceb Pattison 2009-06-26T08:09:19Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#875e1b23-a3e5-4343-b5c1-02cc587c1b19 Patticakes, you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the butt. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:49:54 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#875e1b23-a3e5-4343-b5c1-02cc587c1b19 Wendy 2009-06-26T06:49:54Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#18432991-d544-4aab-8f96-090906e29007 Ms Wendy you can refute the truth as much as you like. But the truth is still the truth...... Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:40:34 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#18432991-d544-4aab-8f96-090906e29007 Pattison 2009-06-25T23:40:34Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#a8e1ebcc-13cb-4c23-a7c9-bb0f96276d29 WOW! You are so deluded it's frightening. You just make stuff up as you go along. BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA! Patticakes is a psychotic fruitcake. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:06:45 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#a8e1ebcc-13cb-4c23-a7c9-bb0f96276d29 Wendy 2009-06-25T17:06:45Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#1e103c24-f46f-44ce-9e13-3a149157d226 Ms Wendy. I know the root of your hate is because you are a white supremacist. Thus you view of American history is blurred, and you don't see all the hate behind the stares and strips, as you are apart of all that hate. These people also consider themselves christian, as you do. So you would not be able to acknowledge Americas shocking record on human rights, towards the black, and homosexuals. I was on your friends list until I talked about how backward the south was, ans still the red neck, would do things like drag a black fella by his feet from the back of a pick up, until he was in little peaces. You have also abused me for loving a black fella too, and letting my white race down, for doing so. I just hope you have never breed, because you would ensure you hate lives on though your children. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:11:19 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#1e103c24-f46f-44ce-9e13-3a149157d226 Pattison 2009-06-25T13:11:19Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#7ab94513-4618-4489-a285-a71852659a1a BBWAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHHAH! So completely clueless you are! Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:57:39 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#7ab94513-4618-4489-a285-a71852659a1a Wendy 2009-06-25T00:57:39Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#c10cb560-14fc-45df-b1c8-efa1533a804a Brue. I find it amusing that some of the worst sinners, have been the Evangelists leaders, and then when found out they cry, and claim " the devil made me do it!" Just cracks me up. No it was their uncontrolled lust that made them do it. They are also the most hatful, Yet this man Jesus, was meant to be all about love and forgiveness, and they are anything but loving and forgiving, they are dictators. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:54:54 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#c10cb560-14fc-45df-b1c8-efa1533a804a Pattison 2009-06-25T00:54:54Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#a355c08c-f594-4174-b2b7-0c6fb8569998 Oh But Ms Wendy my history books tell me the founding forefathers of Massachusetts "new England', were Puritans, and look at all their wickedness, and persecutions. Look at all the trouble they made in England during it's time as a republic, under the rule of Cromwell. But you still have not proven me wrong, you have just been abusive, and made more pig noises, and you call yourself a christian, the damage you do. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:46:07 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#a355c08c-f594-4174-b2b7-0c6fb8569998 Pattison 2009-06-25T00:46:07Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#b464c0a3-105d-48e8-8a1d-c2cc2aa52738 I don't believe it is merely about Christianity, I think it is more about machismo. Please bear with me and consider that I am in the Bible belt, good Ol' Texas, surrounded by many people who claim to be Christian and are lower to lower middle class where I work. Most of the women I meet think homosexuals are sinning, but think of many things as sins equally... infidelity, sex before marriage, etc.. They may have homosexual male friends, they may feel it's wrong but not their place to judge or interfere anymore than if they knew a male at work who was having heterosexual sex unmarried. Most of the men I've met seem to think that homosexuality is a horrible sin, but that infidelity in marriage God will be more lenient on, and with heterosexual sex before marriage.... why that doesn't even seem to count as a sin at all. At my place of employment I have to work with one fellow in the "church of Christ", he is young, single, black, in college and belongs to a clique of other males who work in other units that are the same. He boasts to me regularly of his sexual conquests, shows me cellphone pictures (unasked) of the woman he got to pose naked for him in various lewd positions, claims in the last three years he had some 36 women with pride over it. He thinks he is very manly, he thinks any man who is not an oversexed person constantly looking for a new sexual conquest is not a man at all. One of the other people in his clique got married last year with many of the staff present at his wedding day, has two children with the woman he married, and he is in management but is constantly working female staff to "get some" on the side. They know I am engaged to be married, they can't understand when I had a temp female staff that seemed to like me why I didn't "tap" her. She wasn't even attractive looking and neither was her personality and they said "pussy's got no face" turn the lights out. But I have my fiance at home for sex, who does have a very pretty face, why do I need to sleep with any woman that shows any interest, even ones I don't find remotely attractive if I were the kind of slimebag that would cheat? I'm not even religious and I know that is wrong, it's not merely infidelity, its deceiving people that trust you and it's using people just for sex you don't even want or care about. We discussed this, and they wondered if I was "gay". Yes, that's right, a heterosexual that would not be unfaithful to a person of the opposite gender, called "gay" because he's not like an oversexed maniac that must take every opportunity to have sex with every female. And yet they also lecture me about being a unitarian universalist, and the fact I do not believe in Jesus Christ that I will go to hell. These hypocrites are trying to "save" me. They get especially religious when talking about a gay and black staff member who works the second shift, their hatred is obvious... they mention in that context the overall tolerance of sin in the world, how tolerance of Gays is a sign of the end of the world coming... the apocolypse. However when it suits them to lie, to be shady, to be petty, to gossip, to be vindictive with staff they do so without even feeling they've done a thing wrong. Somehow they even take on airs of moral superiority. Their faith is a sham, I don't know if they compartmentalize their minds so that they can believe in it and feel innocent and saved by it and be able to flip a switch and do whatever they feel like that their own faith defines as a sin... or if maybe they have no real faith and pretending to faith is just the mask they wear. But one thing I've concluded is that most people who call themselves Christians can rationalize any sin as normal, or a weakness God will certainly have mercy on, even talk about these days being modern and that the interpretation of scripture isn't so strict anymore if they are engaging in heterosexual infidelities and pre-marital intercourse. When you look at the efforts of evangelicals to deal with pre-marital intercourse with their congregants their efforts are squarely focused on the girls, teens, and women to be chaste... not the boys because it is presumed that men can't help themselves even though their bible says otherwise and holds men equally accountable. So then, if their interpretation of their faith, which they say they are bible centered and do not interpret the scripture but rather take it literally with pride, why would there be so little focus on the sexual sins of heterosexual men who are both single and married and so much focus on what homosexual men do? It's clear to me that there is no scriptural basis for this imbalance, sin is sin, all sins equally reprehensible before their God, on this their scriptures are quite clear. They pick up stones for the sin of homosexuality, but are they without sin themselves that they can take the position of the enforcer of God's law? Well if there isn't a scriptural basis, then it is not an issue with Christianity even if it is being distorted and used towards the purpose of singling out and just pursuing homosexual men.... instead it is cultural. And if it is cultural, one has to look at why homosexuality (religion aside) threatens males who buy into machismo, which seems to be tolerated in most religions even if their scripture disapproves. What makes lower income males, minorities and whites, so threatened by homosexuality whereas more educated males who don't seem to walk around as macho don't seem as adamant in their intolerance? When it comes down to it, it has go beyond fear of rape, most of these guys know they can fight off another guy, particularly the more macho types that love getting into a fight now and then. It has to go beyond having homosexual thoughts, for truly if they were closeted I doubt it would be possible for that one fellow who claimed to sleep with 36 women and is always trying to get into someone's pants at work or at school to even be interested if Gay was his inclination (not that gay men don't occasionally sleep with women, but really... can you imagine even a closet queen wasting their time like that, let's be real). I have a theory, it is only a theory. I believe that in lower socioeconomic classes men on their job who are raised to believe they should be powerful, stand up for themselves, not take crap... take a lot of crap in low end jobs. They have to take it, the lower end you job the more shit you have to take from people and keep your mouth shut. It's an experience that is perpetually humbling to one's pride, you have to put it aside, whatever anyone above you says to you and pretend like it doesn't bother you most of the time. This is something suburban professionals don't get, when salaries are low and jobs are low end the kind money involved leaves lawyers disinterested in taking suits of work harassment on contingency and the income isn't there to pay the lawyer per hour much less survive on it. One endures many humiliations being a male in the lower class, and being a minority and male there are even more humiliations. Just to drive to work down the highway one has a much greater risk of being stopped by a cop and treated like a common criminal, if one gets mad about it and gives the cop a piece of their mind even if they've done nothing wrong they could see a jail cell. All of this leaves many low income heterosexual men feeling immasculated, I know this intimately as I've always had low end jobs as a "starving artist". You put up with indignities from so many directions and you want to go off and nuts like the guy in the movie "falling down" because it seems like the only way to take back the power you give away to people every day over you to keep your job is to go bugnuts, stop caring... I can see why so many people in the same demographic drop out of employment and move towards criminality where they don't have to be treated anymore like they are a pee-on. This is nothing I can describe to anyone who hasn't done the kind of work I had; if you had a "shit job" at a starbucks in college or something and you dealt with management that was unfair, clocked you out a half an hour early while you closed up, or any of that... you only got a taste of it. I'm talking about years of work of being treated like something less than a dog, like a unit of production, like a piece of meat, a robot, a slave even if you have a really bad employer. All of this leaves many heterosexual men feeling very unmanly at the end of a day, they also lack financial power, especially if they maxed out any credit they got trying to look to women like they had more financial power than really had. In their mind is concern as to whether or not they are men at all if they can't make enough money to provide a decent life for a woman to be committed to them. They are constantly feeling an emotion that as men they are told not to feel, fear. So they wear the mask of being macho over all of these feelings underneath, try to talk, look, and act with a swagger that they are tough and that they won't take crap from anyone, and that they are God's gift to women, the best lovers on the planet. It's a projected image of potency that men with better educations and incomes don't need to pretend to, that they can handle things, that they have money, drugs, fun, and can really kick someone's ass if they want to. Now think about it, this is all surface, deep down they feel humiliated and emasculated but they walk around like manly men... and then they confront the idea of the homosexual male. Now some gays are macho, usually those heteros can't even identify, but we're talking about those that choose to act effeminate or androgynous. In their mind before them stands a man that seems to embrace the very emasculation a low income and disadvantaged heterosexual male may feel but doesn't want to face, and this person not only embraces that emasculation but flaunts it as a lifestyle. Do you see here the button that is being pushed? It's much deeper than mere homophobia, and even among lower class males who aren't religious but very macho the reaction to seeing another male embracing what seems to be emasculation most low income males feel at work at a daily basis is RAGE. Whether that rage is acted out in violence, or is suppressed and they use snide remarks, harassment, or religious platitudes... they are reacting to the fact that they themselves feel economically and socially emasculated for which they must embrace the pantomime of machismo as the only sense of feeling like a man they can get. If I am right in my theory.... you are all fighting on the wrong front. You are trying to put out a house fire by shooting the fire-hose at the sun away from the house (saying it's the source of all fire). Putting out religion as the source of the problem is impossible, people don't even read the bible and say they believe it all and don't know what they believe, they water it down and make exceptions for every sin under the sun so they could do the same for homosexuality just like they do for premarital sex and adultery. You are wasting your time then addressing the religions and their definitions of what is sin, and should instead be addressing the cause as to why they haven't watered down the "sin" of homosexuality as they have done with so many other sins. And if I'm right, the cause of this hatred towards homosexuals by low income and disadvantaged groups of males is because they themselves feel powerless and emasculated, hide those feelings, and then a homosexual who seems to embrace emasculation sashays into their job, or lives next door, or whatever and the reaction is well... predictable. HINT- the way to fight homophobia then would be by giving low income and disadvantaged or minority heterosexual men better labor laws, more unions, better pay (economic empowerment), address the issues of boys falling behind girls in graduation rates and income... in other words MORE EMPOWERMENT. What they will violently resent in a deepening economic crisis where their wages are driven down, and often lower than the women they meet or even marry, is to see a group that to them embraces emasculation getting more empowerment while they are getting increasingly less empowerment. Even in their own professions and social class homosexuals have some advantages if they didn't try to live hetero and have children they have no child support or children to support. I've noticed employers deciding that there is too much friction with putting a gay person in a construction labor job they hired them for, and rather than firing them promoted them into an office position where they wouldn't be harassed, and ended up above them and with a higher salary. In retail there seems to be many homosexuals in management, but not so many in the stock room, warehouse, or should I say more obvious ones... the gays who are macho blend in well enough nobody notices. So already compared to groups of low income heterosexual males, homosexual males may have more economic empowerment. In fact, I've noticed some of the Macho Gays being out and having hetero friends who are macho and consider the macho Gay person "cool" but have a hatred towards the "effeminate" ones. One I met was a gay skinhead who hung out with other skinheads who knew he was gay, and they were the kind who'd bash an effeminate gay person in a heartbeat. Perhaps then what it really comes down to if that is the case, if we really distill it down, is that it's about the schoolyard and that if it's okay to be Gay if you are macho, if you get beaten up or harassed for being gay it's not for being gay at all... it's for being a "sissy". I'm not excusing it, nobody should be beaten up for being a "sissy" for there is nothing redeeming about the idea of the strong picking on the weak, just trying to get to the essence of where the real problem of acceptance of Gays seems to stem from. Because I really think blaming religious people for it is a dead end, for they are completely shunned for all of their moral platitudes when it comes to their attempts to censor or reign in heterosexual behaviors they deem sinful, if they are listened to by the masses only when it comes to homosexuals as a convenient reason why being homosexual is bad... the source of the problem is elsewhere. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:22:55 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#b464c0a3-105d-48e8-8a1d-c2cc2aa52738 Bruecke Bautraeger 2009-06-24T14:22:55Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#f51e634c-3025-4d8f-bc85-8dfc2a762de6 BWAHAAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAH! America wasn't born out of the Puritans, you mindless twit. Try getting educated! BWAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHA! Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:04:30 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#f51e634c-3025-4d8f-bc85-8dfc2a762de6 Wendy 2009-06-24T13:04:30Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#3e670375-f701-401d-9b38-f0903f7341b2 Yes Ms Wendy right from the birth of the Americas, it's had a very poor record of human rights. Instead of you making those pig noise, why don't you prove me wrong. I challenge you. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:03:21 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#3e670375-f701-401d-9b38-f0903f7341b2 Pattison 2009-06-24T05:03:21Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#f7aa1194-1a0d-4ad4-a1e9-27b623331ede BWAAAHAHAAAHHAAAHAHAHAHAHHAA! Human rights? BWAHAAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH! You are so clueless. Ask them to increase your meds, the current dosage isn't enough. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:45:23 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#f7aa1194-1a0d-4ad4-a1e9-27b623331ede Wendy 2009-06-24T02:45:23Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#614d9d52-1f0e-4fc4-a9c3-118a4870763c Bruc in another site I visit, that has many homosexual, and bi men on it. When they were abusing the Mormons, for them not getting the right to marriage bill passed in CA. I had to remind them that CA also has a large Hispanic community, thus they need to target the Catholics too. I also well know, that homosexuality is not a good thing in the black community in the USA, but many of them belong to those born agin's. But the root of all this is the fact that America is a religious country, it's rooted i it's foundations, by it's founding forefathers, the Puritans, and history shows us, that any country that allows religion to dictate government poly, is backward. The propaganda in the Americas is: Church and State are separate, only on paper, and not in reality. Oh I also have said that if Obama was to support the homosexuals of America, he would not do a second term. But Many homosexuals don't understand him, as, as a half black man, a half cast. He should be better on human rights because of the fight the black people of the USA have had for equality. America amazes me. It's a super power, yet it is so backward on human rights, because of it's religus affiliations. It needs to stop playing Big brother and invading foreign country ignoring their sovereignty, to force it's will on them, until it gets it's own house in order. Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:25:35 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#614d9d52-1f0e-4fc4-a9c3-118a4870763c Pattison 2009-06-23T22:25:35Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#076935a8-40f4-4bde-9f04-38d002dfdd2d It's more than merely religious, Heterosexuals among blacks and latin groups have a higher amount of intolerance of homosexuals, less to do with religion and more to do with the culture of machismo... among working class groups that are white even the intolerance of homosexuals is far more than among the professional classes. Obama knows if he is seen as for the rights of homosexuals that he'll lose the support of many black and latin leaders *if* (and I'm giving you a big if) they don't feel by the end of his first four years he didn't do enough for them by comparison. Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:50:52 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#076935a8-40f4-4bde-9f04-38d002dfdd2d Bruecke Bautraeger 2009-06-23T21:50:52Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#f7d962fe-9f00-4535-a799-7534f37b0228 Snicker chortle! Would that be the fish or the bottom of the foot? BWAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAAHAAHAH! Your psychosis is flaring up again! Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:12:55 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#f7d962fe-9f00-4535-a799-7534f37b0228 Wendy 2009-06-22T14:12:55Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#4cdfaa95-3ccf-4b54-8bb5-b1b8fd42759a Oh but Ms Wendy it's you heterosexuals who do all the breeding with family members, and thus breed all that misery. So all you have to do down south for a family reunion, is go to the local hospital. It's you women who breed and create all the homosexual children, the children with disabilities, and breed all that misery, that can result in the rape of an innocent childs sole. Or don't you belive in soles, and the fact they can be damaged? Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:08:28 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#4cdfaa95-3ccf-4b54-8bb5-b1b8fd42759a Pattison 2009-06-21T23:08:28Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#187947fd-b640-43ff-95fd-ecf3240a5ad2 Gosh I'm hearing those Banjos again ms wendy mixed with Pig noises you are making. But as a christian from the south, how many soles have you raped this week? Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:15:57 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#187947fd-b640-43ff-95fd-ecf3240a5ad2 Pattison 2009-06-21T22:15:57Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#67da0b1d-c5ce-4bda-b768-7fb69362c4a8 The banjo joke deals with homo poop chute doinking. That is your thing, Mr. Patticakes. Poor Baby, America must be raping your souls again. BWAAHHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA! Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:13:57 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#67da0b1d-c5ce-4bda-b768-7fb69362c4a8 Wendy 2009-06-21T16:13:57Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#76d44637-5dd5-4206-9b2d-008babdfc360 Ms Wendy why is it so, that every time I read your posts, one can hear banjos in the background. Sun, 21 Jun 2009 01:50:44 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#76d44637-5dd5-4206-9b2d-008babdfc360 Pattison 2009-06-21T01:50:44Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#e34d2c40-9d32-4122-b3b6-5d28d76ef446 Oh Ms Wendy you really do have some issues about mt sole don't you. But I'm not crying. As I live in Oz, and not Jesus land, the USA. I as a homosexual have equality in the state I live. Put with all your hate Ms Wendy. How Jesus must hand his head and weep, with all the hate you do as a christian. Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:34:05 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#e34d2c40-9d32-4122-b3b6-5d28d76ef446 Pattison 2009-06-20T05:34:05Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#bbf772d5-ec57-417c-9f2c-9faece08c5d2 BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAHHAHAHAAAAAAH! Poor baby. I guess America is now raping your souls? Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:35:44 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#bbf772d5-ec57-417c-9f2c-9faece08c5d2 Wendy 2009-06-18T11:35:44Z http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#70817c95-e20b-4b03-90a9-6cbb299752d3 As we all know, Mr Obama got a large percentage of the homosexual vote. They voted for whom in the hope of advancement, and equality in the USA; Jesus land. But Mr Obama now being the head of Jesus land, knows if he gives the homosexuals of the USA; Jesus land, he may well not get the top job next time. because he is now the head of Jesus land, and as we all know, any country who allows religion to dictate it's policy, or advancement, is backward. They say Religion and politics are separate in the USA; Jesus land. But we all know thats just crap. Once again any country who allows religion to dictate it's advancement, is backward, as is religion. America is meant too be a world leader, but it's very 3rs world when it comes to human rights, and advancement; a great country of shop keepers. But a very poor record on human rights. Maybe they should stop telling other countries how to run, until they themselves get it right. Can you hear those banjos playing? Thu, 18 Jun 2009 03:42:37 GMT http://heateddebate.tribe.net/thread/201368cc-3def-406d-872e-be543717380b#70817c95-e20b-4b03-90a9-6cbb299752d3 Pattison 2009-06-18T03:42:37Z