Lucy
<<<Hummer, saying something as mean-spirited as "it is more likely that Zack is just humoring you, Jason. He has probably learnd by now that you are an intrusive little jerk..." is a despicable way to participate even in a heated debate. You lose.

I declare Jason the winner for maintaining his dignity while so eloquently defending his beliefs in a forum that goes after the debater rather than the debated. >>>

ADAM POSTED :Belief that my daughter and I are degenerate trash because she is bisexual and I am homosexual and we both remain open minded is dignified?

RESPONSE: If you have a daughter in the first place ,Adam , it is somewhat doubtful that you are homosexual given the biolgical dynamics of how children are conceived . As for the bisexuality of your daughter, perhaps it is a phase she is now going through , that hopefully with enough moral guidance she will jettison .

ADAM POSTED :Please Lucy, let us hear your justification for affirming this belief. Let us hear how you condemn homosexuals the way Jason does. If you are going to cheer for him and support him, show us YOUR solid moral grounds and why we should suddenly cotton to your way of thinking. Are you of like mind that penises are ugly and gross? Do you actually defend his postition that butts are ugly?

RESPONSE : Well penises and butts are , after all , quite ugly .

ADAM POSTED :Get your ass on out there and step up. I DARE YOU

RESPONSE: Don't take that tone wth a lady, you lout ! Perhaps in the lowbrow Southpark , or Family Guy cartoons that cater to the earthy crowd of people like yourself Adam, they talk to women that way , but decent folks don't .

Like a mountain range:www.94ba.com/wp-content/...buttocks.jpg

<< you wax defensive >>

You wax wishful. In fact, you type like you've been "drinking* floor wax.

<< insult Roger is because he has accurately pegged the practice >>

i roger
Roger becuz he's a
bedsheet poet
typing the
blankest
blankety-blank
blank verse
i ever read
and he likely spends time pegging and rogering
himself.

< For you mischaracterized the putative act of presenting a metanarrative >>

ROCKSTAR POSTED :A word much beloved of postmodernists

RESPONSE: No, it is not a word much beloved of postmodernists .It is word much disliked by postmodernists, though used by them often . Postmodernists use the word 'metanarrative' in a disparaging way .

One of the main ideological tenets of the evil ideology of postmodernism is that metanarratives are somehow allegedly undesirable . The postmodernists falsely allege that metanarratives have no ultimate epistemic value or standing . They deny that they have any meta-political or meta-social significance , wrongly regarding them as mere social and political constructs .

ROCKSTAR POSTED : and, in this context, we may define as "overarching bullshit."

RESPONSE :"Overarching bullshit" is how Rockstar attempts to redefine the word 'metanarrative' . That is not the way the Dictionary defines the word 'metanarrative', is it Rockstar ?

<<describing the specific dynamics of a purported error as somehow being the same as endorsing the propositional content of the error itself.>>

ROCKSTAR POSTED :You got it! And to THINK I doubted you!

RESPONSE: So NOW you finally admit that you DO conflate (A) describing the specific dynamics of a purported error WITH (X) endorsing the propositional content of the error itself !!! Rockstar fesses up to conflating separate contexts .

ROCKSTAR POSTED :Simply put- "Sleep with dog, Rise with fleas."

RESPONSE: Is attempting to apply that adage to the topic matter at hand a case of literary license ?

<< So you, Rockstar, ascribe a quasi-magical ability of a phrase used by another person to ostensibly characterize the argument you put forth >>

ROCKSTAR POSTED :No. I can't stop you from saying ANYTHING is a "cop-out" since that is one of your face-saving mantras whenever you're bested or flummoxed.

RESPONSE: But does the act of me saying that the refusal you announce to give a specific answer to a question , is a 'cop out' give it the property of looking very much like a cop out , OR , instead, is it a coincidence that the refusal statements you offer in place of answers look like cop outs at the same time I call it that ?

ROCKSTAR POSTED :A committee consisting of Plato, Solomon and Thomas Aquinas would doubtless get the same treatment from you and Solomon called "a sleazy sex-crazed relativist" to boot.

RESPONSE: I certainly am NOT inclined to accuse Plato of being guilty of a cop out , so you proposing I would is another case of you "reading between the lines" with what I've posted , *instead of* parsing what I've explicitly typed . I doubt I would call Solomon a relativist nor sex crazed since you have not as of yet presented any plausible arguments to persuade me he is a relativist nor sex crazed . Plato is certainly NO relativist . Plato is especially absolutist. That is why I like him. Thomas Aquinas isn't a relativist in the main .

If you claim that Solomon is a relativist then you will have to present specific exegesis of the writings attrtibuted to him to vindicate that claim , before I would assent to that claim .

ROCKSTAR POSTED :Again, I CAN'T STOP you from making idiot statements and chasing your own rectum in public, so you may feel free to call mine or anyone's words a "cop-out"

RESPONSE: Please Mr. Rockstar, stop shifting the focus onto chasing rectums , and present a plausible and specific argument as to why you refusing to answer specific questions is anything other than a cop out ?

ROCKSTAR POSTED :since that's what you do when cornered.

RESPONSE: Supposition as to what supposed unspoken motive I *purportedly* have for calling the refusal of you to answer specific questions by the term 'cop out' , might not allay the suspicions of visitors to the present thread and message board , who *may* observe the present exchange and not post anything themselves, that the refusal of you to present a specific answer, may very well be an actual cop out .

ROCKSTAR POSTED :It has *no* effect on me, as 1) I don't believe anything you say anyway and 2) the ill-opinion of people I regard as morons is something I've always found side-splittingly funny.

RESPONSE : But could it be truth rather than mere opinion ?

<< ROCKSTAR POSTED :See how relativist you've become already?

RESPONSE: I phrased that scenario in the form of a question >>

ROCKSTAR POSTED :You think something *is* because you SAY SO.

RESPONSE: Notice how you gloss over how I explained above that I phrased the sentence in the form of a question and go and change the subject ! No, i do not think that something becomes a cdertain way because I say so . Rather I say so because I have previously observed that it is after the manner noted .

ROCKSTAR POSTED : Lacking Godlike (or even ordinary) powers of wit and persuasion, your pretensions in this line are the height of relativistic pretend-expert bullshit.

RESPONSE: It is the methodology that is salient . You favor a relativist , equivocal method of thinking.
I favor an absolutist , consistent , NONequivocal method of thought . It isn't a matter of who is the expert . It is a matter of methodology .

ROCKSTAR POSTED :Further, how are we to trust you're always right when you get SO MANY things wrong?

RESPONSE: Such as ? List specifically what I get wrong .

Are you referring to be off on the name of a director of the film starring my favorite actor: James Dean ?

ROCKSTAR POSTED : Aren't you asking a separate and VASTLY lower standard be applied to you and you alone?

RESPONSE: Nyet , comrade . NOT at all .

<< ROCKSTAR POSTED :Because that would be tantamount to arguing with an idiot, something one is warned never to do.

RESPONSE: What is the loss in arguing with an idiot? Where is the harm in doing that ? >>

ROCKSTAR POSTED :You can't see any because your time is utterly valueless.

RESPONSE: Well, since you have time that is purportedly valuable and can, thus, reportedly see why, why don't you tell specifically what is the loss for you to argue with an idiot ?

<< Well, if you do have a stunning argument, which can vindicate the weird claim that something such as fellatio is anything other than puerile trash >>

ROCKSTAR POSTED :I do, indeed.

RESPONSE : Well then do present that argument , and dispell any suspicions that the claim you make may be like the Emperor's New Clothes >>

ROCKSTAR POSTED :Suspicions? Heavens! The suspicions of *whom*, dear boy?

RESPONSE: The suspicions of all who have witnessed the argument exchange we have been having, and apply to it critical thinking skills they have , considering you have claimed to have a stunning argument in favor of fellatio, and have not so far presented it .

<< you might do wonders to bolstering the cause of liberated sexuality >>

ROCKSTAR POSTED :Why should that interest me?

RESPONSE: Well , that is an agenda you support >>

ROCKSTAR POSTED :Liar. It's an agenda you imposed on me from our very first encounter. I support no "sex-positive" movement and don't care it lives forever or dies today.

RESPONSE : No, you support an agenda of liberated sexuality ---perhaps not the same sub-variant of liberated sexuality as the official sex positive movement (inasmuch as you apparently do *not* maintain that the advocacy of liberated /non-inhibited sex for fun should be made into a social political crusade ..whereas the sex positive people do), nonetheless , you prize liberated uninhibited sexuality...have a favorable disposition towards such uninhibited sex and sex related practices .You treat fellatio and recreational non-reprodutive sex *as if* they were some superlative affair .

ROCKSTAR POSTED :Indeed, I challenged you to provide proofs it even *exists* and all you can do is pile up lame dumbshit like Bill Maher and MTV.

RESPONSE: How about the hyperlinks to websites, for organizations like the Center For Positive Sexuality,(and similar organizations) that Mr.Humm has posted in various threads (in this very present message board) for evidence that such an ugly movement, does exist ?

ROCKSTAR POSTED :Fuck, I don't even WRITE about sex (as opposed to love) for the very good reason I'm saving most of it for a set of memoirs that will stagger humanity.

RESPONSE: Well maybe you don't write about sex much in published work , but you have certainly published much commentary with references to sex and copious references to "jacking off" here at the message boards on tribe .

ROCKSTAR POSTED :Indeed, I may do a chapter titled "If You've Never Been Given Head Before, Here's What To Expect" in your horn-handed honor.

RESPONSE : Please don't dedicate a book on fellatio to me . Dedicate a book on the music of 1970's bands to me (I remember that era quite well) , but not one on fellatio .

<< present a vindicating argrument >>

ROCKSTAR POSTED :Hold it, holmes. Slow down. What the fuck is an "agrument"?

RESPONSE: I accdentally mispelled the word 'argument' ---hence the above utterance "agrument" was a typo .

Had meant to type the phrase , 'vindicating argument ' .

<<to defend that practice of fellatio >>

ROCKSTAR POSTED :Again, slow down. I wasn't defending "that" (which?) PRACTICE. Go back and try again.

RESPONSE: You certainly were defending the vulgar practice of fellatio . The notes below cite a statement you made verbatim and alludes to another ..the latter I would be glad to recopy, if you'd like .

<< -- which you support >>

ROCKSTAR POSTED :"Support"? Does the next sunrise require my support as well? Is there an online petition?

RESPONSE: No , the next sunrise does not require support from you . However , you are a supporter of fellatio .
The following lines from you posted in the post above confirm that you support it ,

"Indeed, I may do a chapter titled 'If You've Never Been Given Head Before, Here's What To Expect' in your horn-handed honor. " ---From Rockstar

As well as statements presented in an earlier post , wherefore you claimed blow job is "spiritual" , also support and defend the scurrilous practice of fellatio .

< The more you intentionally refuse to do so , the more a tenative suspicions grows that you *may* not have an argument to present . >>

ROCKSTAR POSTED : Well, I sure hope the suspense results in no fatalities out there in Weevil Haven, Florida or wherever it is you (you'll pardon the expression) "live."

RESPONSE: I live NEAR Winter Haven , Florida , but not in Winter Haven yet. I won't disclose the name of the town, however , online here .

ROCKSTAR POSTED :You COULD always go get a bj yourself and have all the facts to refute me at your disposal in advance...

RESPONSE: How might that give me the facts to refute you ?

ROCKSTAR POSTED :(OVER THE HEAD COMMENT TO WHOEVER IS RUNNING THE "JASON LEARY ALT- I've only been interacting with your creation since last summer, but others tell me you've been running this character for upwards of FIVE years now and he STILL hasn't gotten laid? Look, in successful character-driven fiction there HAS to be an arc, an evolution, a DEVELOPMENT, for chissakes, or it's all postmodern mush and gobbledegook and cement on the page. Get this guy a life or you can kiss any shot at even TEMPORARY literary immortality BUH-bye, chum)

RESPONSE : Jason Leary (here I'll refer to myself in the third person) is NOT an alt . He has worthwhile activities that demand attention ...INSTEAD of crass divertissements like getting laid . Jason Leary wants to learn to play the xylophone one day (Love the xylophone) and the harpsichord. Furthermore, Jason Leary would like to learn to play the banjo like Pete Seeger did . Some person once told my maternal Grandfather he looked like Pete Seeger (others said Roy Rogers ---back when he didn't have his beard) .

Jason Leary would like to visit the canyons of Utah . He would like to go to the maritime provinces of Canada and see glaciers and artic terns . He would like to play Mahjong with an old lady who wears a long dress (perhaps of cambric or gignham or some old fabric) and sits on the veranda of an old Queen Anne house in Connecticut . He would like to learn to make homeade mustard wine . He would like to try being a blacksmith with forge hammering iron .

He would like to have a pear orchard in the country and share the pears with neighbors, friends ,and strangers

So there are many interesting activities for Jason Leary to get involved in one day..*instead of* the vulgarites of gettting laid .

One yet further activity is writing stories like 'MEET THE SMITHS', and 'POMO KID AND THE MISADVENTURE IN TIME' .