ENRIKA POSTED :Don't do it, Adam. It's a trap.

RESPONSE: A person who has a sound position has nothing to worry from answering Socratic questions .

You exhort Adam to hide from the light of specific questions ....The sex positive apologetics you are making are getting more and more desperate and pathetic .

It is getting more comical the statements you are making , Enrika ......

Deal. :)

I know there's a word for that. Probably saw it in a porn magazine. One of those European ones.

One of the parties I missed back in the early nineties, it was reported that the drunk and stoned party-goers goaded some guy (by paying him $5 to $20) into jacking off in front of them. Glad I missed it. I would imagine everyone was uncomfortable. I would be. What desire could I have to see some guy with too little inhibition whack it for twenty bucks? Usually these parties had about even numbers of girls and guys, so I wonder who provoked this. As far as I know, this was as far as it went ever, sexually. I was hit on by one girl (who it was said by some others who had sex with her that she had a rather tasty pussy), but I had a girlfriend back at the pad (who didin't like mixing with my friends, she was psycho, I like psycho chicks), so I turned her down. I don't like to cheat at all. But then masturbators cheat all the time, right? And are women cheaters? Really, I don't care, this amounts to animal behaviors to me, and to attempt to strangle natural animal behaviors is inherently ridiculous. But honestly... what's that word, Pinky?

"[if I had a fancy hyperlink to a word that meant "gaining sexual arousal from watching other people become/being sexually aroused" it would go here]"

I think that is the definition of being a human female. Non?

Who are you addressing with this statement, Jason?

Who do you think is listening?

Who do you think agrees?

Who do you think your lack of argument actually has any effect on?

>>Yes, the article, by the editorialist Ms.King probably, struck quite a note that you did not like .<<

LOKI POSTED :It may surprise you to learn that you are alone in desiring to force other people to adopt your views.

RESPONSE: Again, verbally telling someone that some mere opinion, or way of thinking and/or acting , is totally wrong does NOT force anything on anyone . Words --even vehement ones-- are not bullets . It is high time that you MTV Generation relativists acknowledged that .

LOKI POSTED : I find it utterly uninteresting that the slowminded crank couldn't handle the show about vapid bitches. I don't want to change her mind: it's a shitty show. Why bother with it?

RESPONSE: Well I'm glad that you don't want to change her mind regarding the worthlessness of that yuppie t.v. series titled 'Sex In The City '. I'm glad that ( now you are pressed about it) , have come to finally conceed that 'Sex In The City' is a shitty show and to make that concession explicit . Good. One wonders , however, whether you oppose that television show for motives which are largely cosmetic or otherwise negligible (such as the show not having enough irony, witty dialogue , interesting camera angles et al ) .Though you are apparently not a fan of that televison show , you do, Lokifreign , nonetheless , accept and defend the sex positive movement ...the ethos of liberated sex ...which that show is but one cultural manifestation of .....

The critique of Ms.King denounced the televison show , but within the welll- written , excellent critique which commented on that series, she presented a far deeper critique of the societal and cultural phenomenon of the sex positive ideology , which she as an apparently upright, concerned citizen --one who cares about what sort of lifeworld the children will inherit , did rightly advance . That deeper critique going beyond the mere expose on the t.v. show itself , but offering an insight as to how culturally entropic and depraved the larger sex positive movement is (a movement which has more manifestations than merely that show) is what most likely got you in a tizzy of chagrin and desperate damage control antiics, Lokifreign .

Oh, and weren't you Loki advised not to make any snotty nosed, bratty comments about her , that you could insult me to your heart's content, but *not* to go making vulgar comments about a concerned citizen like her, remember ?
That advice wasn't a joke , Loki . You keep that sassy filth and rude statements away from the upright , older citizens who are trying to preserve decency in American life . You got that, Lokibrat ?

No more lip about ladies who are trying to preserve decency being "cranks" or "slow minded" . You can call me that as much as you like , but watch your keyboard ...*no* more of that towards your elders and betters, like Ms.King . Understood ?

LOKI POSTED :One of your many mental failings is outrageously flimsy equivocation.

RESPONSE: That's another switcharoo . It is you , Lokifreign, and your entourage of lateral thinking relativists which are the master(s) of equivocation . I never explictily typed that you were a fan of that t.v. series which Ms.King critiqued . What I did , however, anticipate was that you would be disappointed with the critique against the sex positive movement at large, which was cogently presented in the article .

LOKI POSTED :You assume that, because I reject your bigoted pomposity, I must be a viewer of whatever crap TV it is that *you* spend all *your* time wanking over.

Not so.

RESPONSE : (1). Again, I did *not* explictly state that you were a fan of that worthless t.v. series . See notes above .

(2). I am *not* interested in wanking over anything . To borrow a line that you sometimes use , ' you are projecting .' (It is very disconcerting that you , and Andrew, have that preocuppation with that sort of activity) .

(3) .NON-racist "bigotry" is NOT some undesirable trait to cultivate . You are frequently given to talk about so and so being a "bigot" or having "bigotry" . It is helpful in the present day and age of mass culture weirdness to decode terms like that , which are often used by militant relativists. The term "bigot" NOT to be confused with a racist ...for racism is totally vile and wicked....when one decodes it turns out to be a term used by relativists to lambast people who REFUSE to sellout to the relativist attitude of tolerance , acceptance ...REFUSE to sellout to the relativist , MTV-era shtick of respecting mere opinions --such as crass opinions.

Yet such a vigilance that REFUSES to sell out to the namby-pamby relativist ideology that tries to mislead people into respecting opinions/ mislead people into being tolerant of ambiguity , flexible ...that REFUSAL which refuses such
flexibility , is a good refusal and , hence, cultivating it is a good characteristic . Incidentally , you have never throughout the numerous years you have been promoting the approach of tolerance/acceptance ...respect for opinions...ambiguity and so on , have never advanced a specific argument that even tries to make any plausible dialectic on behalf of that notion you trump up ...a notion which *claims* that NON-racist bigotry is somehow bad . Key word being 'claims'.

LOKI POSTED :You are, very simply, a stupid crank; that, you'll find, is the essential reason why I and other far more intelligent persons than you will so quickly reject the very *nub* of what you say.

RESPONSE: Whether I am this or that ..or whether the personality i have sits well with you or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that linear methods of thought and argumentation are totally right , and , in contrast, methods based on appeals to tolerant pluralist ideology , ambivalence , ambiguity of "conflicted" thinking and other mystification are totally wrong . Always !.

LOKI POSTED : The true *heart* of your beliefs are stupidity, cowardice, and weakness. You are too stupid to make valid inference about the simplest of matters,

RESPONSE: More undemonstrated assertions *without* any specific argumentation. Usual Loki bluster . That is a noted diverginary tactic of Loki .When there is a dearth of any specific argument, thought experiment , documentation to back up some notion he espouses , he tries to shift the focus of the discussion as to arguable predications about what sort of person he is attempting to debate with .

"You , Jason are this or that" ... LOKI uses INSTEAD OF , 'well Jason the statement you made in paragraph such and such is dubious or contrary to truth because of specific factor ____________as it related conceptually to _concept x________ . ", is virtually all the time the manner of debate when there is any attempt at dialectic with Loki presented by yours truly .

LOKI POSTED : too afraid to venture into the world that would have tempered your stupidity with experience,

RESPONSE: The mystification of the *open-ended appeal to experience* .

For someone who at times tries to pontificate as someone in the vanguard of thought ...as if they were some sort of "anarchist" , you Loki are given to much the same mystification, as those who support a status quo of murky customs . Yours truly is reminded of a novel he read where one of the protagonists after overhearing the other one talk about some case of rather physically violent
one- upmanship , where the one protagonist seems to revel in telling the younger man about how he (the older man) had oneupped the former teacher when he was a youth . Upon hearing about that much vaunted act of physical violence that the older man had pulled off on his teacher in the past , he the younger protagonist asked the older one a question to the effect of whether people (in the older protagonist's league) actually mature or merely just come of age ?

Then the older protagonist resorts to the mystification of experience and tells the younger protagonist who had asked him that question words to the effect that the younger man was young and just didn't understand such things like that yet and would understand when he gets older ...Typical , but no less weird and disgusting , *mystification of experience* .

LOKI POSTED : and too weak to even bgin contemplating taking the steps required to make you into an adult.

RESPONSE: More condescending mystification from Lokifreign . He redefines terms like 'maturity' and 'adulthood' towards a notion of accepting , resigning oneself *somewhat* a little to trash ...adapting to trash . A very weird , murky outlook is one which that portrays an adaptation which ultmately compromises ideals... as some sort of so-called "maturity" . The sellouts, in the present decade have the slogan that tells people to 'adapt or die'. Back in the 1990's, the sellouts tried to tell people a slogan of similar import . The sellouts then had the slogan which tried to mislead people into 'not being so single minded.'

Yet appeals to duplicity ... appeals to selling out, especially when dressed up in terms like 'adult ' , 'adaptation' , 'maturity', 'acceptance' ect. are quite ungood ..quite wrong ...
quite CONTRARY to the epistemic virtues as well as going *against* the virtues of action .

Mystification + an attitude of resignation =mediocrity

LOKI POSTED : No, Boo, you haven't struck any chords yet, aside from the "buffoon" string that you twang each day. You haven't made any points; you haven't had any triumph. Nyah hah. This piece obviously resonates with you - here, at last, a *woman* that seems to agree with you in some tiny wise!

RESPONSE : Yes, a cogent well written article by a woman who apparently wants to uphold moral and esthetic standards . A woman who does not hesitate to denounce the extended adolescence of the sex positive movement for being a puerile and vulgar pretence whose mystique is a mendacious sham ! Again read it and weep , Loki .

LOKI POSTED :I'm not standing in your way, dumbass. Call up Ms King and the two of you can go have a nice evening being ugly and not fucking. I heartily encourage it, in fact.

RESPONSE: If you are encouraging me to go out and have lunch with Ms. King at a nice , quiet old cafe somewhere, then that is one of those rare , once in a blue moon times that you occasionally recommend something good for a change ! I wish I had her number . She is after all someone who deploys herself as a refined , civilized person ...a person with decorum and self-discpline..traits in earlier , more decent eras were regarded as maturity ...traits you sorely lack , Lokifreign .

Oh, and you calling her ugly is way off base, she is (according to the photo I saw in the article) , a quite attractive woman ..certainly far better looking than you ...and far better than the "hot", goth subculture chicks you praise. I've met quite a few of the goth girls over the years ...saw a number of them in the late 1990's (a few of the gothic girls I've seen are rather attractive) , but many of them adopt the demeanor of something between the actresses in early 1970's vampire flicks , brothel like semblances of characters from the Lord of The Rings mythography , and even more sullen and lovelorn actresses from 'Night Of The Living Dead' .

Furthermore, do not use that expletive filth in connection with Ms.King . You Lokifreign whenever you do that reveal yourself to be a cretin ; an uncouth , vulgar lout with a junior high mentality .


LOKI POSTED :It's only you that seeks to control the hearts of other adults, ass.

RESPONSE: If you want to call the constructive criticism that righly instills guilt some sort of "control" your playing fast and loose with the very word ...

LOKI POSTED :Of *course* it didn't bother me in the lightest when you posted a poorly written criticism of possibly the least interesting and most unimportant thing I've ever not-cared about.

RESPONSE: If the well-written , insightful article by the editorialist did not bother you then why such a long reply post, Loki ?

LOKI POSTED :Of *course* this buffoon's opinion means even less to me than yours.

RESPONSE: It wasn't mere opinion . The arguments Ms.King put forth reached theses of absolute truth ; furthermore let's have none of that sassy, snot-nosed trash from you about a lady and apparently concerned citizen . Be a little snot when talking to your marajuana bong if you must, but don't do it publically , Lokifreign .

Furthermore, why would the truth she professes "mean less to you" (even that phrase is relativist and dodgy from jump street) than when I type a true statement ? Truth is just as true when she professes it .


LOKI POSTED :Of *course* I and every other actual adult ignores the majority of what you post, now. This thread of yours underlines exactly why:

RESPONSE: You call the above lengthy post reply you sent ignoring what I've posted ???? Who are the "other actual adults" that you refer to ? Lucy Cannon has certainly not declared that she ignores what I've posted ...or are you going to get condescending and patronizing with her again , also .?

LOKI POSTED :You're a highly mentally stunted and unpleasant crank that
• won't mind his own business,

RESPONSE: The betterment of civilization is the business of all .

LOKI POSTED :• can't string together three coherent elements of logic despite tedious insistence that mere *logic* "controls" the universe, ordering it, I suppose, in his wee little noggin,

RESPONSE: The tack you often take Loki of calling logic illogical and vice versa (when you are not demeaning logic altogether as some low order of thought) does NOT make some sort of trump card of sound argument .

LOKI POSTED :• and is simply too stupid to understand when *logic* utterly overrules all the pathetic, plaintive, scared whining about how things "ought" to be.

RESPONSE: The thesis on how things ought to be is predicated on logic .

LOKI POSTED :Get out of the house and take the world as it is,

RESPONSE: When I go out of the house I do not take the world as it is . You can forget that .The way it should be is what is at stake .(What's it to you, anyway?)

LOKI POSTED :or else you'll remain lonely, cowardly, and pointless waste of oxygen you are right now.

RESPONSE: What's it to ya , pal ? That tends to be a standard shtick with you Loki. instead of presenting technical , analytical arguments to back up some notion ...when the dilalectical going gets tough , you revert to personalism ...to melodramatic statements about the person you arguing with . Tacky Loki . You are noted for doing that sort of flim flam towards Lester in the Political Junkies message board . (Incidentally, I'm glad to see that you backed off on making rude comments to Lester since you were told to stop doing that . Good . Let's keep it that way) .

LOKI POSTED :Yes: face the world, and learn that *it*, the *world*, has NO faults -

RESPONSE : What ARE you smoking ? Tell that to the elderly people who cannot get quality medical care while their taxes goes for subsidies to wealthy , greedy corporations that many of the politicians are in bed with!

LOKI POSTED :that all the faults are YOURS - that you are the reason your view of humanity is so dim and bigoted.

RESPONSE: There's that word "bigoted" again you like to use . What you call "bigoted " , NOT the same as racist ...is the disposition of people who don't accept puerile , vulgar, tawdry , lurid forms of thinking and behaving .

Bigoted is the word you use to lambast people who dare speak out against an extended adolescence dressed up as if it were some sort of maturity ...a word you use to lambast people who are *against* to decadent , mentally entropic pursuits . The so-called "bigots" they just keep on punding don't they Loki ? They keep on raining on the Loki parade . Well that they should . You cannot fool everyone ---even in 2009 when people are so influenced by the relativism , ambiguity ...ambivalence ..acceptance shitick promoted by the pop culture media , there are still some people left over that you encounter , which have enough critical thinking skills to see through the sham that the decadent high jinks ...the filth you support is some sort of heroic, vanguard affair ...some endearing new way of perceiving that bears the suffrage of the world . People that you call "bigots" they see through the sham ...and they hold you and the other hipsters in your entourage accountable don't they Loki ?

You cannot fool all the people ..at least you haven't yet .And your not getting any younger , are you ?


LOKI POSTED : Anyone who has taken the elementary steps of adulthood is stronger, smarter, more beautiful, more capable, and more worthwhile that you can ever be until you emulate them and grow up.

RESPONSE: Again , you go suck an egg , mister .

LOKI POSTED : You've been parasitizing off your family long enough.

RESPONSE: Don't go pontificating about my relatives , mister . I have not , you don't know the circumstances . I was , furthermore, duty bound to help my relatives and have done so in the case of my Grandfather and uncle ...the latter was for a shorter period and the former died recently in April . I don't like to mention that because i do not want to foster even the appearance of boasting of what I have done. For in truth , I want to have done more . Helping my Grandfather was the Task ..and I wish that I was still on that Task . It is was that Task that is important ..ultimately , NOT myself . When I was a teenage fool . I foolishly sought fun...personal enjoyment . Now I want nothing to do with fun of any sort . Nor do I wish either praise nor blame for *not* wanting fun . What i did some might call a lot, but I should have done more on the Task . It is the Tasks that count ultimately , not me ....

There are now other people I must continue to help: my friends who i long to serve more often , an aunt , and other people besides . Also I must continue to help my dog . It is indeed quite weird , quite gauche , tacky of you to spout off about my family members ....

If you should ever make disparaging comments about a number of my kinfolk , be assured the level of vehement commentary as a response posted here would become even quite more vitriolic ....

LOKI POSTED :Go make an adult of yourself.

RESPONSE: Again what is it to you , the personal matters of where I hang my hat ?. Are you some sort of voyeur, or something ?

LOKI POSTED : If you can do that, you'll understand why no one listens to you right now: you are only a child, a particularly spoiled, insolent, and frivolous one.

RESPONSE: You Loki are the one who is spoiled ..decadent ...a snot nosed overgrown adolescent brat from affluent suburbia . You are an intentional ally of those who BURN THE AMERICAN FLAG . You depict a photo of a burning flag with aplomb and approval on your tribe photo album .That reveals what sort of deliberately irresponsible and vulgar young man you are .

The World War II Generation (that great and honorable generastion) gave their lives for what that flag ostensibly represents at Iwa Jima, at Normandy and elsewhere . They were the ones that broke open those ghastly concentration camps set up by the quasi-relativist nazis (And yes the nazis were quasi-relativist in ultimate orientation , I know that will sound counterintuitive to many people brainwashed by the relativist propaganda that has been disseminated in a number of universities for quite some decades now that claims otherwise . The nazi movement was quasi-relativist in that it denied that there was any meta-political locus of value . It held that the political nation state or Reich was the matter of ultimate concern ...that there was nothing transcending the political)

You show intentional disrespect to the venerable symbol carried by the soldiers that saved not only America but Europe and the rest of the Globe from the Axis powers . Where does some little , hipster snot get off thinking that he has any grounds to show intentional disrespect to the American Flag ??? My maternal Grandfather served for that flag at World War II and had friends that gave their lives for that flag in the war in Europe and some little hipster , hedonistic , pot smoking, sexual libertine snot like you (from bourgeous , t.v. influenced suburbia) comes along and sneers at it ! Have you no respect for the venerable heroes of World War II , Loki ?

The attitude you show, the very sensibility of how you comport yourselves towards others is outrageous ..it figures that in another forum in one thread you mentioned in passing a time when you had money for "endless bong hits" . The attitude you display Loki is very much like that of someone who had pissed away financial resources on adolescent trash like recreational pot smoking ! Last summer and autumn I had debated in the Intellectual Barbarian message board with a woman named Paula C . who like you opposed the puritanical stance I took against libertine sexuality, but at least she had enough decorum not to present the tenor of the discussion in a way designed to be prevocative and shock and the tenor of the responses to her was correspondingly less vitriolic in tone than it is with you .

You , Loki , are a deliberate provocateur whose contribution to many of the debates I've seen is based more on vulgar , garish theatrics and melodrama, than it is upon any sort of point counterpoint dialectic .

You comport yourself like someone from some junior high locker room, with all the attendent trash statements about f---king and similar trash ! Even , Pinky , who supports very depraved sexual practices , at least she presents enough of a somewhat plausible counterpoints (as *occasionally* does Mr.Rockstar) that have me have to slow down and form a meticulous response , but you when you are not flinging long-winded terms about in a merely perfunctory and
NON-specific way, ultimately resort to a potty mouth , shock- based routine where shock is the mainstay ...and is offered by you *as if* it were a substitute for plausible dialectic . Lousy form , Loki .

LOKI POSTED :As you type your stupidity to the internet to watch it be shot down, others toil to keep you fed and housed. Shameful.

RESPONSE: You do not toil to keep me fed and housed and you never will .

(I'm not going to be led into boasting or even listing what I have done for relatives over the years . What I did on behalf of my Grandparents I don't want any accolades for at all. It was DUTY .I wish I was still doing for them . Wish I had done more)

If you want to discuss people who toil for others consider the following ....

Truth is, it was the World War II soldiers , who fought under the banner of the American Flag you treat with disrespect , who toiled in battlefield to protect this present country and Europe. The very gothic and punk rock music that you like so much , you should be grateful to the World War II Generation for apparently securing the state of affairs, wherefore you would have the opportunity to hear it . Inasmuch as if the Axis powers had been successful in conquering America and Europe , you would have never have had that opportunity (though you may have had the opportunity under the Axis to hear some music equally dreary, vapid, morbid , and sometimes even necrophillic ) .

There is so much of the elements of goodness that you, Loki (as a militant relativist) deliberately run roughshod over and seek to tarnish that it would take a much more longer dissertation than the present post to fully review .

That the obsfucation ..the hustling that you do ..flourishes on a number of internet forums attests to an even more pervasive problem with the present era than even liberated sex . One could indeed plausibly surmise that crass activiities like liberated sex , find their cultural and mental breeding ground , in a cultural climate characterized by the weird , murky ..and the weirdest and murkiest of cultural climates , where virtue is diluted...where the tendency is to not want to take any putative goodness to any extreme ...and where reversely ...badness is not thought as something to be gotten rid of alltogether in thought, but merely to be toned down ...a merely "palliative" sort approach to dealing with badness rather than a total and proactive approach.

The sort of cultural climate that makes the lowering of the standards of discourse which you display, even more widely accepted than it would likely be in past eras , is that very desire by many .(..an often half- inchoate desire) to want good and bad to be both toned down... a sort of sensibility that seeks an insipid middle ground of mellowness ...of balance .

It is that momentum towards the balance of the middle ground ...the middle ground that is neither hot nor cold but lukewarm ..that wants merely a moderate level of goodness ...never extreme goodness ...that causes the sort of games you play to flourish and gain some sort of acceptance ---even from people who do not necessarily affiliate in every way with all the stances you take ---that is the larger evil .

There has never been any more weird, any more pathetic form of deception than the doctrine of the so-called "golden" middle ---the weird and pathetic notion that would deceive people into thinking that somehow extreme virtue *allegedly* somehow becomes some sort of vice . You, Lokifreign , actually ( I recall) even professed that inspid and pathetic doctrine at a thread in the Intellectual Barbarians message board .! The truth is, however, that intrinsic virtue when taken to extremes , results in more virtue . Intrinsic virtue when taken to extremes , is never any vice ..never becomes a vice !

Yet it is that sort of weird notion (one that seeks a middle ground between good and bad) that is ultimately part and parcel of the largest threat to all goodness and decency in the mileu of human civilization , and is the notion that fosters the mellow unexacting , non-precise approach to public discourse , which a hustler like you can take advantage of ...

Maybe your sort of people ...the people who promote ambivalence/ambiguity/ duplicity ...militant relativism and vulgar kitsch & dystopian thinking will win on this planet .The present era is very very bleak ....scarcely a day or even an half a day goes by anymore where from a family member 's television set ..the local and/or national news isn't droning about some scandal , some child or wife or husband being subjected to grisly murders , and/or some tell all book about some celebrity having this or than tryst or custody battle of some garish weirder and weirder sort , over and over in a long day' s journey into the American Night (Or , as Zack says, along day's journey into Access Hollywood) .

But I'm going to do what I can , my friend Zack, with help from The Good Lord, is ostensibly going to do what he can , Ms .King is going to do what he can to make sure that the commonweal is held up to high standards . NOT adaptation , but instead high standards . What should be ...Yes that great, out of style , politically incorrect , good word called 'should' ...that relativists don't like


Those of us NON-racist "bigots" will not give up on good old earnestness, NOT irony , not ambiguity ...not being multifacted nor any of that relativist tommyrot about so-called shades of grey, but instead , earnestness .

Its all to easy for you (and those who think as you do) to play the facile relativist card ...to protray someone who takes philosophy and the enterprise of living seriously and exhorts others to do so ....as somehow "pompous" .
and to make an implicit appeal to mellowness (or some sort of mysterious notion of maturity) that accepts the badness of the world and tricks themselves into thinking that the tack of some "mature" person who is not a "nutcase" is to tone the bad of the world down ...merely temper it with a practical level of good ...and not go pining after "crazy" ideals of excellence .

It is easy for you , and those in the relativist crowd..to portray those who inisist on taking life and philosophy seriously as somehow being emotionally handicapped , hidebound people , who are somehow sad sorts who haven't learned to join what your ilk portray as a brave new world or a realistic view of reality ..or whatever sort of trash "meme" that greases the wheels of respectible mainstream mediocrity .....

But there are people still even in 2009 , who don't fall for the contemporary Loki-esque hustle . There are people who seek a revival of earnestness as an infinitely better approach ...who reject the well adapted mellowness that is all so chic and all so accepted today . There are people who know THAT IRONY AND SERENDIPITY ARE VERY OVERRATED . There are still some people left people you call "bigots" , "cranks" and "feebs" who seek not irony but instead earnestness , not only in their family lives but also for the communtities ..that haven't given up..that have NOT sold out to trash like so-called "other perspectives" ....that have not embraced the mellowness that say bad and good are merely all how you look at it ...that do NOT go for insipid , goofball platitudes like the people who say "everything happens for a reason" as a mystification and whitewash of tragedy , of sham, and lowered standards .

There are people that seek to foster earnestness ...NOT irony , NOT being a trickster with mere wit and panache ...NOT some David Letterman / Pop Up Video, or Fight Club movie quote, approach to discourse , but good old earnestness ...


People who want to make sure that the children NEVER give up the guileless purity of intent ...NEVER learn to adapt to the respectible mediocrity of comprimised principles ...that the children never adapt to a sort of world that isn't worth adapting to in the first place .

The monsoon to rain on your parade may be coming sooner than you think . Hopefully, Ms.King , friends of mine and I will be seeding the metaphorical clouds !

>>Yes, the article, by the editorialist Ms.King probably, struck quite a note that you did not like .<<

LOKI POSTED :It may surprise you to learn that you are alone in desiring to force other people to adopt your views.

RESPONSE: Again, verbally telling someone that some mere opinion, or way of thinking and/or acting , is totally wrong does NOT force anything on anyone . Words --even vehement ones-- are not bullets . It is high time that you MTV Generation relativists acknowledged that .

LOKI POSTED : I find it utterly uninteresting that the slowminded crank couldn't handle the show about vapid bitches. I don't want to change her mind: it's a shitty show. Why bother with it?

RESPONSE: Well I'm glad that you don't want to change her mind regarding the worthlessness of that yuppie t.v. series titled 'Sex In The City '. I'm glad that ( now you are pressed about it) , have come to finally conceed that 'Sex In The City' is a shitty show and to make that concession explicit . Good. One wonders , however, whether you oppose that television show for motives which are largely cosmetic or otherwise negligible (such as the show not having enough irony, witty dialogue , interesting camera angles et al ) .Though you are apparently not a fan of that televison show , you do, Lokifreign , nonetheless , accept and defend the sex positive movement ...the ethos of liberated sex ...which that show is but one cultural manifestation of .....

The critique of Ms.King denounced the televison show , but within the welll- written , excellent critique which commented on that series, she presented a far deeper critique of the societal and cultural phenomenon of the sex positive ideology , which she as an apparently upright, concerned citizen --one who cares about what sort of lifeworld the children will inherit , did rightly advance . That deeper critique going beyond the mere expose on the t.v. show itself , but offering an insight as to how culturally entropic and depraved the larger sex positive movement is (a movement which has more manifestations than merely that show) is what most likely got you in a tizzy of chagrin and desperate damage control antiics, Lokifreign .

Oh, and weren't you Loki advised not to make any snotty nosed, bratty comments about her , that you could insult me to your heart's content, but *not* to go making vulgar comments about a concerned citizen like her, remember ?
That advice wasn't a joke , Loki . You keep that sassy filth and rude statements away from the upright , older citizens who are trying to preserve decency in American life . You got that, Lokibrat ?

No more lip about ladies who are trying to preserve decency being "cranks" or "slow minded" . You can call me that as much as you like , but watch your keyboard ...*no* more of that towards your elders and betters, like Ms.King . Understood ?

LOKI POSTED :One of your many mental failings is outrageously flimsy equivocation.

RESPONSE: That's another switcharoo . It is you , Lokifreign, and your entourage of lateral thinking relativists which are the master(s) of equivocation . I never explictily typed that you were a fan of that t.v. series which Ms.King critiqued . What I did , however, anticipate was that you would be disappointed with the critique against the sex positive movement at large, which was cogently presented in the article .

LOKI POSTED :You assume that, because I reject your bigoted pomposity, I must be a viewer of whatever crap TV it is that *you* spend all *your* time wanking over.

Not so.

RESPONSE : (1). Again, I did *not* explictly state that you were a fan of that worthless t.v. series . See notes above .

(2). I am *not* interested in wanking over anything . To borrow a line that you sometimes use , ' you are projecting .' (It is very disconcerting that you , and Andrew, have that preocuppation with that sort of activity) .

(3) .NON-racist "bigotry" is NOT some undesirable trait to cultivate . You are frequently given to talk about so and so being a "bigot" or having "bigotry" . It is helpful in the present day and age of mass culture weirdness to decode terms like that , which are often used by militant relativists. The term "bigot" NOT to be confused with a racist ...for racism is totally vile and wicked....when one decodes it turns out to be a term used by relativists to lambast people who REFUSE to sellout to the relativist attitude of tolerance , acceptance ...REFUSE to sellout to the relativist , MTV-era shtick of respecting mere opinions --such as crass opinions.

Yet such a vigilance that REFUSES to sell out to the namby-pamby relativist ideology that tries to mislead people into respecting opinions/ mislead people into being tolerant of ambiguity , flexible ...that REFUSAL which refuses such
flexibility , is a good refusal and , hence, cultivating it is a good characteristic . Incidentally , you have never throughout the numerous years you have been promoting the approach of tolerance/acceptance ...respect for opinions...ambiguity and so on , have never advanced a specific argument that even tries to make any plausible dialectic on behalf of that notion you trump up ...a notion which *claims* that NON-racist bigotry is somehow bad . Key word being 'claims'.

LOKI POSTED :You are, very simply, a stupid crank; that, you'll find, is the essential reason why I and other far more intelligent persons than you will so quickly reject the very *nub* of what you say.

RESPONSE: Whether I am this or that ..or whether the personality i have sits well with you or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that linear methods of thought and argumentation are totally right , and , in contrast, methods based on appeals to tolerant pluralist ideology , ambivalence , ambiguity of "conflicted" thinking and other mystification are totally wrong . Always !.

LOKI POSTED : The true *heart* of your beliefs are stupidity, cowardice, and weakness. You are too stupid to make valid inference about the simplest of matters,

RESPONSE: More undemonstrated assertions *without* any specific argumentation. Usual Loki bluster . That is a noted diverginary tactic of Loki .When there is a dearth of any specific argument, thought experiment , documentation to back up some notion he espouses , he tries to shift the focus of the discussion as to arguable predications about what sort of person he is attempting to debate with .

"You , Jason are this or that" ... LOKI uses INSTEAD OF , 'well Jason the statement you made in paragraph such and such is dubious or contrary to truth because of specific factor ____________as it related conceptually to _concept x________ . ", is virtually all the time the manner of debate when there is any attempt at dialectic with Loki presented by yours truly .

LOKI POSTED : too afraid to venture into the world that would have tempered your stupidity with experience,

RESPONSE: The mystification of the *open-ended appeal to experience* .

For someone who at times tries to pontificate as someone in the vanguard of thought ...as if they were some sort of "anarchist" , you Loki are given to much the same mystification, as those who support a status quo of murky customs . Yours truly is reminded of a novel he read where one of the protagonists after overhearing the other one talk about some case of rather physically violent
one- upmanship , where the one protagonist seems to revel in telling the younger man about how he (the older man) had oneupped the former teacher when he was a youth . Upon hearing about that much vaunted act of physical violence that the older man had pulled off on his teacher in the past , he the younger protagonist asked the older one a question to the effect of whether people (in the older protagonist's league) actually mature or merely just come of age ?

Then the older protagonist resorts to the mystification of experience and tells the younger protagonist who had asked him that question words to the effect that the younger man was young and just didn't understand such things like that yet and would understand when he gets older ...Typical , but no less weird and disgusting , *mystification of experience* .

LOKI POSTED : and too weak to even bgin contemplating taking the steps required to make you into an adult.

RESPONSE: More condescending mystification from Lokifreign . He redefines terms like 'maturity' and 'adulthood' towards a notion of accepting , resigning oneself *somewhat* a little to trash ...adapting to trash . A very weird , murky outlook is one which that portrays an adaptation which ultmately compromises ideals... as some sort of so-called "maturity" . The sellouts, in the present decade have the slogan that tells people to 'adapt or die'. Back in the 1990's, the sellouts tried to tell people a slogan of similar import . The sellouts then had the slogan which tried to mislead people into 'not being so single minded.'

Yet appeals to duplicity ... appeals to selling out, especially when dressed up in terms like 'adult ' , 'adaptation' , 'maturity', 'acceptance' ect. are quite ungood ..quite wrong ...
quite CONTRARY to the epistemic virtues as well as going *against* the virtues of action .

Mystification + an attitude of resignation =mediocrity

LOKI POSTED : No, Boo, you haven't struck any chords yet, aside from the "buffoon" string that you twang each day. You haven't made any points; you haven't had any triumph. Nyah hah. This piece obviously resonates with you - here, at last, a *woman* that seems to agree with you in some tiny wise!

RESPONSE : Yes, a cogent well written article by a woman who apparently wants to uphold moral and esthetic standards . A woman who does not hesitate to denounce the extended adolescence of the sex positive movement for being a puerile and vulgar pretence whose mystique is a mendacious sham ! Again read it and weep , Loki .

LOKI POSTED :I'm not standing in your way, dumbass. Call up Ms King and the two of you can go have a nice evening being ugly and not fucking. I heartily encourage it, in fact.

RESPONSE: If you are encouraging me to go out and have lunch with Ms. King at a nice , quiet old cafe somewhere, then that is one of those rare , once in a blue moon times that you occasionally recommend something good for a change ! I wish I had her number . She is after all someone who deploys herself as a refined , civilized person ...a person with decorum and self-discpline..traits in earlier , more decent eras were regarded as maturity ...traits you sorely lack , Lokifreign .