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By J. D. Longstreet
Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 10:16:07 AM
The story continues to bubble just below the surface of the consciousness of the American electorate primarily because the Mainstream Media is so deep in the tank for Obama that they refuse to cover it. But it is there, nevertheless, and eventually it is going to break through and chances are very good that it will create chaos when it does.
The question of whether or not Obama is legally qualified to even be President of the US has never been answered. Many lawsuits have been filed in an attempt to answer the question. Many have been dismissed, for one reason or the other, but many are still in the queue waiting for a ruling and eventually that ruling will come.
The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."
The question that really troubles many of us is why the President doesn't just present the evidence that he is a natural born American citizen and put it all to rest? It seems so simple. Yet, reports have it that the President has legal teams, all over the country, fighting all attempts by citizens to get to the bottom of what could turn out to be a constitutional crisis for the country. Some reports say that huge sums of money have been spent, already, just to stop the release of that birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. Why not release that certificate and put this whole thing to rest?
Obama's reluctance to produce proof of his American citizenship certainly leads one to question a lot of things about the President. For instance: What is his real name? Was his father an African, an Arab, or a Muslim? (Find more on this HERE.)
See, the problem here, over and above the obvious, is… this may happen again. We need to have laws that clearly describe what it means to be a natural born citizen of the US and laws that clearly delineate the steps one MUST go through in order to prove one's eligibility to be President of the US.
Unknown to a great many Americans is the fact there is just such a movement in Congress that would require presidential candidates to verify their eligibility to hold the highest elected office in the United States --- not to mention the office of Commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of the US. Congressman Bill Posey, a Republican of Florida, filed the bill --- HR 1503 --- an amendment to the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971. H.R. 1503 would "require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of president to include with the committee's statement of organization a copy of the candidate's birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution." You can read up on the story HERE.
Last week, Congressman Bob Goodlatte, a Republican of Virginia, signed onto the bill. You can read the story on this HERE.The bill was referred to the US House of Representatives' “Committee on House Administration,” where it remains I would urge my congressman to get behind this bill and get it passed.
As we mentioned above there are numerous lawsuits still pending on this issue. At least one of those suits asked the question of whether or not the President was, indeed, born in the state of Hawaii, as he insists, or rather some place outside the United States. If it turns out he was born outside the US, Obama's American mother, would have been too young (at the time of his birth) to confer American citizenship on her son under the law at the time. (Confusing enough for you?) Still other lawsuits are looking at the possibility of conferring citizenship through Obama's father, a Kenyan, and a British subject. That would confer dual citizenship on Obama, and, constitutional experts say the constitution does not allow anyone holding dual citizenship to be eligible to stand as a candidate for President of the United States.
There is no need for this confusion. Obama can clear the air, once and for all, by producing proof of HIS birth within the United States, in particular, the state of Hawaii. The Congress can stop this from ever happening again by passing HR 1503 and tacking it onto the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 as an amendment.
Do I think it will happen? No, I do not. Why? That's simple enough to answer. It won't happen because those same groups of people who form the infamous “Shadow Government” do not want it to happen.
Like many Americans, I thought the “Shadow Government” was only a creation of the conspiracy nuts. But, such stunts as this have certainly pushed me much closer to believing in the existence of a group of powerful, wealthy, families who pull the strings of governments all over the globe for their mutual benefit. Their supreme goal is Global Governance… or as we used to say: “One World Government.” The current President of the United States is a Global Governance adherent. That fact makes him one of them and, as such, his continued occupancy of the Oval Office must be assured.
Copyright by J. D. Longstreet
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Re: Does the US have a REAL President -- or Not?
Wed, May 20, 2009 - 2:39 AMOh but didn't you hear? He produced a copy of his certificate of birth, not his actual documentation, but the one you get from a courthouse. That should be good enough, right? Never mind the fact of his actual history, that doesn't fit well with the puppeteer's whims. You will only be allowed to know what you "should" know, for your own good. Of course. -
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Wed, May 20, 2009 - 4:58 AMWhat's his real name?
www.indonesiamatters.com/2952/...etoro/
Seems like everything until recent years says his name is Barry Soetoro. The Hawaiian Birth Certificate is probably from a change of name. Nothing shows he spent anytime until later in life in Hawaii.
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Wed, May 20, 2009 - 8:22 AMoh for fuck's sake. you dimwits still on about this? wishful thinking and crocodile tears over sour grapes. -
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Wed, May 20, 2009 - 9:22 PMIt's an unsettled issue that could be settled very easily.
He's hiding something.
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 3:17 AMOh ya?
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 8:21 AMThe very fact that all the republicans and their sources couldnt prove it should tell you something. During the campaign the republicans took any little Obama flaw and ran screaming with it. Interesting that Sarah Palin could screech to lynch mobs about "Pal - en around with terrorists" but somehow couldnt talk about the "real" concern about US citizenship. In fact this was one of these topics that pretty much only appeared on unknown emails and shady websites. The Republican party was desperate to win and would have latched on to anything that would give them an edge. Even Cheney couldnt find any dirt on Obama and his citizenship. But somehow amatuers with shady websites know the "truth".
Of course must be true since Shatter thinks so, and we need patriots like you to spread the word. While your at it please buy some of this great land in Florida that Im selling. Its a bit swampy but will make great foundation for your dream house! True Americans who love their country buy land parcels from me. Only $500,000 an acre! -
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 9:32 AMProof?
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Re: Does the US have a REAL President -- or Not?
Thu, May 21, 2009 - 10:04 AMIt's a conspiracy. Just like those streams you see behind the jets in the sky, that is mind control gas. I have some foil hats I designed for the DTV switch because they will be projecting mind control signals, and only foil can block them. You are not paranoid, THEY ARE out to get you! Resistance is futile... -
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 10:17 AMSorry Shatter I dont hold the burden of proof here. You do.
Prove that Obama isnt a US citizen. The Neocons couldnt do it but your amazing leaps of illogic should be able to get the job done. (Hint: try something with alien takeovers those always seem to please the paraniod masses)
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 5:40 PMEvery lawsuit filed, legitimate ones have been headed off with technicalities such as "The people of the US don't have the right to question if a candidate is qualified to be president, on another person running". There are lawsuits by those who were candidates in all 50 states, however the court date keeps getting pushed back as Obama's legal team "Need more time to prepare".
All school records, court records and anything pertaining to anything to do with a guy who's written two auto biography's is sealed and protected by court orders. He has a massive legal team that is blocking any and all attempts to verify his place of birth.
Kenya has a large monument build commemorating his birth place.
So while I'd love to provide some proof, it's a bit in accessible. Obama could have put the whole thing to rest by showing his certificate of live birth issued at the time and not a 1990 print out. Why would he spend so much on legal defense unless he's got something to hide.
Instead of dismissing something as a conspiracy, try reading some actual backlog on the case. It's quite interesting.
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Thu, May 28, 2009 - 7:26 PM"Sorry Shatter I dont hold the burden of proof here. You do."
Actually, neither you nor Shatter does. Mr. Obama has the burden of proof. He has provided only a short form certificate of live birth, not a long form cert with hospital of birth and attending physician. Where he was born has not be settled, but some evidence exists to suppor the notion it was in Kenya, at least his Grandmother has stated so clearly. Yes, he is hiding something, but dozens of lawsuites and a growing grassroots movement will get to the truth, eventually:
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Sat, May 30, 2009 - 9:25 AMBoth Shatter and Dan are delusional if they think this wasnt looked into by people with alot more power and influence then you. Do you really think people like Dick Cheney, with all his ties to the CIA and other intellegence somehow couldnt find the proof needed to destroy Obama;s chances for election if it could be proven? Its obvious he and people like him would do anything to maintain control of the country. You think somehow that some hick on the internet has more intellegence on Obama then Dick Cheney had?You are both being retarded. His political enemies used every trick in the book. You would think being born in Kenya would be a great place for republicans to start. Sorry guys but I am going with common sense here and calling this one bullshit. -
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Sat, May 30, 2009 - 9:35 AMYes, he is hiding something, but dozens of lawsuites and a growing grassroots movement will get to the truth, eventually:
Yes Dan and on that day all the dirty secrets that the government has been hiding will come out thanks to all those grassroot movements currently filing lawsuits. Why any day now the government will admit that the wourld is ruled by aliens, that Bush personally packed the dynamite in the mens bathrooms on all 3 WTC buildings, and that the tv is transmitting brainwaves designed to brainwash you into being christian is really transmitted during episodes of fox news. That will be a proud day for you when you can finally take of the tinfoil hat and be free!!!!!
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Mon, June 1, 2009 - 5:38 PMEveryone, please pay attention:
Dragon is now citing Dick Chaney as a bastion of truth and honesty.
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Tue, June 2, 2009 - 1:13 PM"Sorry guys but I am going with common sense "
If you do, it might be the first time since I have known you. There isn't a dimes worth of real difference between Bush/Chaney, Obama or McCain for that matter. Which is why conservative America sat out the past election cycle. In addition, Chaney wasn't trying to "hold onto power". He knew his days as Vice President were over after serving the legal limit of 8 years! Please, do get a clue.
The eligibility movement involves numerous attorneys, former candidates for president, congressmen and a growing number of "we the people". We don't give a crap about "people with a lot (alot is not a word) more power and influence". We care about the constitution and the law. Why don't you grow a backbone and educate yourself before speaking about that which you have no knowledge of? -
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Wed, June 3, 2009 - 12:49 AM
"Everyone, please pay attention:
Dragon is now citing Dick Chaney as a bastion of truth and honesty."
What in any of what I posted gave you that idea? He is the most ruthless,selfish, and self-rightous prig that has held power in our lifetime. I think this is more your opinion then mine. However he held the reins of all the intellegence information in this country for 8 years. If he had the knowlege and power to destroy Obama he would have.
Dan Says,
"The eligibility movement involves numerous attorneys, former candidates for president, congressmen and a growing number of "we the people". We don't give a crap about "people with a lot (alot is not a word) more power and influence". We care about the constitution and the law."
LOL Thats funny Dan! You and people like you only believe in the constituition when it suits you. You pick and choose what you like and disgard the rest. Just like you do with Biblical scripture. In fact you would sell out the constituion and America for Jesus and everyone knows it.
"Why don't you grow a backbone and educate yourself before speaking about that which you have no knowledge of?"
Really Dan?LOL and what kind of tinfoil should I use for my re education hat? Which stonemason meeting should I go to? Where are you and the other belivers meeting Jesus for beer, pizza and Obama mashing? Oh I really do so want to learn...........
Seriously, when you, who hide behind alts and lame pictures tell me to grow a backbone I really have to laugh. You see Im out here as myself fighting for what I believe in(common sense) while you throw out insults, talk bullshit and post websites created by morons, and hide like a cowardly little slug. The reason is obvious. Your an utter fake and a speaker of nonsense. If a father of lies really does exist, you have to be one of his greatest creations.
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Wed, June 3, 2009 - 12:56 PMSimple Dragon,
You said that you trust him to have done the right thing. If he's as bad as you say, then why do you think he gives a shit if a foreign national takes over the highest office in the nation? Hope & Change?
I haven't seen anything. Lots of broken promises, smoke & mirrors, wanton spending of tax payers money, and large quantities of bullshit.
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Wed, June 3, 2009 - 8:03 PMActually Shatter, I did not ever associate the word trust with the name Dick Cheney. I have had 8 years to study his psyche and his nature. Dick Cheney really thinks that his way is the only way to "save" the US. He has also demonstrated many times that he believes that the "ends justify the means". Thankfully he never had direct power in the US or we may have had our own little dictatorship here in the America. As it is he and Bushco did enough damage to the laws of this country to make way for a future one. When you use the context of trust in that manner I would say I trust him not to do the "right thing" just the right thing for him and what he stands for. If your interested in what he stands for go read up on the Nixon administration. I trust he will be ruthless in the pursuit of discrediting his political enemies one of which is Obama. -
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Fri, June 5, 2009 - 2:17 AMYes, Trust
"Do you really think people like Dick Cheney, with all his ties to the CIA and other intellegence somehow couldnt find the proof needed to destroy Obama;s chances for election if it could be proven?"
You are saying you have trust in teh CIA
Trust in Cheney
Trust in elected officials to do the right thing
Trust that people are doing their job
"I have had 8 years to study his psyche and his nature."
So you frequently perform psych evaluations from data you gather from CNN then. Conduct a lot of one on one interviews with him?
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Sat, June 6, 2009 - 11:20 AMShatter,
We are talking about 2 different types of trust.
You are talking about personal trust in the way you might trust a good friend. I'm talking about trust of ones nature.
I trust Dick Cheney to do as his nature demands. I certainly don't trust him, or for that matter the CIA as I would a good friend.
In that regard he is the last person I would trust. I do trust that both the CIA and Cheney to work above the law(aka break them) to accomplish goals.
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Sat, June 6, 2009 - 3:29 PMHis personal nature says that he was made a very nice offer and took it. We've seen plenty of public payoffs and kickbacks from Obama, which tells me that there are a LOT of private ones we haven't seen.
Thus, Cheney was bought off.
Or... in your expert opinion as a psychological analyst, are you going to tell me that Cheney is a man with scruples, Morales, and is beyond bribery and corruption?
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Fri, June 12, 2009 - 1:22 PM<<Thus, Cheney was bought off.
Pulling shit out of your ass does not constitute reality.
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 7:32 PM"Seriously, when you, who hide behind alts and lame pictures tell me to grow a backbone I really have to laugh."
I have never used an alt. My name is dan and I live in southern Indiana. Come over and visit. I will take you to the Creation museum! There is nothing wrong with my backbone, you will find this out if you stop by.
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Fri, June 12, 2009 - 1:16 PM<<Oh ya?
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Sat, June 13, 2009 - 7:03 AM"Hawaii automatically submits a birthing announcement when a child is born in their hospitals, and they submitted one for Obama. "
Got a hard copy of that or you just pulling shit out of your ass?
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Wed, June 24, 2009 - 8:30 AM"Prove it. "
Its been proven, readily and completely. However, just like 9/11 Truthers, those who wish to believe otherwise could meet the doctor that delivered Obama, shake the very hand that went you know where, and still not believe it was real. This conspiracy meme is best ignored by thinking people.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:44 PMHe's hiding that he's no different than any other capitalist American swine we've put in office for the last 50 years. He and every other site in the western hemisphere have proven his birth conclusively. Its only nutter douchebags who refuse to believe it because they can't cry crocodile tears over sour grapes otherwise.
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 12:49 AMNobody has proved anything. Not once has proof been given. Proof is not given in all 50 states, yo just need signatures for a ballot. Proof is given in congress. That was never done. Hell, how about just seeing he change of his name since he wasn't born "Obama".
Try actually reading the articles instead of just blowing it off.
Nothing in your snopes link is even relevent to the above. The birth certificate that snopes claimed was "real" was found to be a forgery. So... try again.
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Fri, June 12, 2009 - 1:25 PM<<Nothing in your snopes link is even relevent to the above. The birth certificate that snopes claimed was "real" was found to be a forgery
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Sat, June 13, 2009 - 7:03 AM"Do you believe everything you read on the internet? "
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Sat, June 13, 2009 - 4:51 PMIm referring to Shater as the Scarecrow from now on. He really is the king of Strawman arguements. He is working on a secondary studies on alternate history creation.
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Wed, June 24, 2009 - 8:32 AM"Nothing in your snopes link is even relevent to the above. The birth certificate that snopes claimed was "real" was found to be a forgery. So... try again."
Cite your source please. Just like using Snopes, source is everything. Alex Jones pull this one out of his hat or what?
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Fri, June 12, 2009 - 1:15 PM<<He produced a copy of his certificate of birth, not his actual documentation, but the one you get from a courthouse.
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Sat, June 13, 2009 - 7:02 AM"A certificate of live birth IS actual documentation and is accepted as a legal birth certificate in the United States. "
The certificate that was passed around the web was certified to be a fake.
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 9:06 PM
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BORN IN THE USA?
U.S. bonkers for Obama birth certificate billboard
Campaign strikes chord on presidential eligibility issue
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Posted: May 19, 2009
7:31 pm Eastern
C 2009 WorldNetDaily
<www.wnd.com/index.php WASHINGTON - A
national fund-raising campaign to erect
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the country questioning Barack Obama's eligibility for office was an instant
hit with WND readers in its first 24 hours, said Joseph Farah, editor and
chief executive officer of the company and the man who came up with the
idea.
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"One thing I can say for certain after Day 1 of this campaign - billboards
will soon be going up around the country," said Farah.
More than $10,000 has been raised thus far from many hundreds of donors -
more than enough to begin putting up the first billboards. The average
donation was $25. WND will keep viewers up to date when billboards are
erected.
Farah said the campaign was born of frustration with timid elected officials
in Washington, corrupt
<www.wnd.com/index.php judges around the
country and a news media that show a stunning lack of curiosity about the
most basic facts of Obama's background - especially how it relates to
constitutional eligibility for the highest office in the land. "As Obama
transforms this country from self-governing constitutional republic to one
governed by a central ruling elite, the simple fact remains that no
controlling legal authority has established that he is indeed a 'natural
born citizen' as the Constitution requires," Farah said. "Obama's promises
of transparency have become a bad joke as he continues to hide simple,
innocuous documents like his birth certificate and his
<www.wnd.com/index.php student records."
The idea behind the billboard campaign is to make sure Obama cannot avoid
this question any longer. He must be asked to produce it at every turn,
Farah says. Billboard space is currently being negotiated in Los Angeles,
Houston, Dallas, <www.wnd.com/index.php
San Antonio, Sacramento, San Francisco,
<www.wnd.com/index.php New York-New
Jersey, Des Moines, Seattle and other metro areas.
"Is it unusual for a news agency to launch such a campaign?" asks Farah.
"Yes it is. But we live in very unusual times. The founding fathers built
special protections into the First Amendment for the free press. The reason
they did that is because they understood a vibrant 'Fourth Estate' was
necessary as an independent watchdog on government. It is in that tradition
that WND assumes this role - since nobody else in the press will do it."
Donations
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M_ID=2866> are being accepted to defray the costs of a national billboard
campaign with the simple message: "Where's the birth certificate?"
"I wish such a campaign were not absolutely necessary," said Farah. "I wish
there were checks and balances in our political and electoral systems to
ensure that constitutional eligibility of presidential candidates was
established before politicians could assume the highest office in the land.
I wish my colleagues in the news media believed the Constitution really
means what it says and pressed this issue as hard as we have pressed it at
WND. I wish radio talk-show hosts were bold enough to ask this question. But
wishing is not enough. It's time to raise the visibility of this issue vital
to the rule of law in America. I ask everyone to pitch in and help WND make
a simple yet profound statement: The Constitution still matters."
WND previously launched a <www.wnd.com/obama_petition> petition
campaign that has collected more than 370,000 names demanding Obama's
eligibility be verified and demonstrated publicly. That campaign continues.
That list has been shared with members of the Electoral College and the
chief justice of the U.S.
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Your
<shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp
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addition, donations of billboard space will be accepted, as will significant
contributions specifically targeted for geographic locations.)
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are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the
intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. .
We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to
tolerate the intolerant. -Sir Karl Popper
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Sat, May 23, 2009 - 8:42 AMWHAT CAN WE DO?
By Lynn Stuter, May 19, 2009
The evidence concerning the eligibility of Also Known As (AKA) Obama to the office of president is really quite simple.
Regarding the document AKA claims is his birth certificate:
1. That document is not a birth certificate; it is a Certification of Live Birth; an entirely different document than the birth certificate.
2. No one, outside a very select group of people close to the AKA campaign, has actually seen the Certification of Live Birth document although innumerable pictures of it supposedly exist.
3. The pictures of that document that appear on the internet do not constitute legal proof of anything.
4. The pictures of the Certification of Live Birth that appear at, Daily Kos, Poliitfact.com, Fightthesmears.com, and latimesblogs.latimes.com (here, here, and here) have all been altered/forged. How do we know this? Because, as these are digital images, they are represented by digital files, ie, computer language which can be opened using a text editor program. Every digital file of these so-called "birth certificates" shows that the original digital file has been forged/altered. At this time, proof exists of at least three different computers being used to forge/alter these documents. This issue was addressed in my article, Bogus Documents Passed as Real Thing, with pictures provided of what the altered digital files disclose.
5. The Department of Health, Hawaii, has stated, emphatically, that they cannot authenticate the document that AKA is presenting as his birth certificate, which is not a birth certificate but a Certification of Live Birth.
6. The Department of Health, Hawaii, has produced no documents signed by AKA in which a request for his birth certificate or legal facsimile thereof has been made. Absent the proof that a written request was made by AKA to obtain his birth certificate or legal facsimile thereof, it can only be concluded that the COLB AKA is presenting is a forgery.
7. There has been no proof presented that AKA was not born in Kenya as his step-grandmother claims, making him, at birth, a British citizen under the British Nationality Act of 1948; in 1961 Stanley Ann Dunham Obama was not of sufficient age to have conferred her citizenship to AKA if he was born in Kenya.
8. Not one member of Congress has seen, touched, or examined AKA's actual long form birth certificate issued at the time of his birth.
9. Not one member of Congress has seen, touched, or examined the Certification of Live Birth that AKA is presenting as his birth certificate.
10. Not one member of Congress knows, with certainty, where or when AKA was born.
The issue of AKA's birth certificate and place of birth, however, becomes moot in consideration of the following:
1. AKA has stated that he was, at birth, a dual citizen. His admission to this is on his own factcheck.org website. This precludes him from eligibility as the Founding Fathers made it quite clear that Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 did not extend to individuals of dual loyalty, ie, dual citizenship, themselves excluded under the particular part of Clause 5 which reads "or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution …"
2. On January 1, 1967 AKA was enrolled in the Fransiskus Assisi Primary School in Jakarta, Indonesia. The picture of that registration was taken by an Associated Press photographer, Tatan Syuflana, released on January 24, 2007 and appears at DailyLife.com. This picture shows AKA's name as Barry Soetoro (not Barack Hussein Obama); his father as Lolo Soetoro (not Barack Obama, Sr as shown on the COLB, the authenticity of which is in question), his citizenship as Indonesian (not American). There has been no documents provided that AKA had his name legally changed from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama. This indicates that Barry Soetoro is his real name and Barrack Hussein Obama is an alias. The divorce papers of Lolo Soetoro and Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro indicate two children: 1 minor (Maya Soetoro) and one over 18 (Barry Soetoro). This indicates that Barry Soetoro is the legal child of Lolo Soetoro, if only by adoption.
3. In late 1981, AKA, by his own admission, traveled to Pakistan and Indonesia. Could AKA have traveled on an American passport? The answer to that question is no. In 1981, Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's no travel list. This means that AKA had to have traveled to Pakistan on a foreign passport. If AKA had been, at birth, a United States Citizen, he could have reclaimed his citizenship at the age of 18. That he traveled to Pakistan in 1981, at the age of 20, on a foreign passport means that he was not, at the age of 20, an American citizen; that he did not, at the age of 18, reclaim his American citizen (if he had a right to reclaim it in the first place). This means that the most AKA can be is a naturalized American citizen. There is no proof that he is even that. Such precludes him from eligibility under Article II, Section I, Clause 5, United States Constitution.
People ask, "What can we do about this?" The courts, both state and federal, have refused to address the issue. We hear rumors that judges, Supreme Court Justices, and elected representatives in Congress have been told to leave the issue alone, to not address it.
If that is the case, as I and many others suspect it is—if by no other evidence than the consistent refusal of the courts and Congress to address this issue, such should be a very clear message to the American people that …
1. They did not elect AKA; the election was fixed; vote fraud was rampant. In the day and age of electronic voting machines that can be programmed to insure a specific outcome, this is highly likely. What this also means is that the claim that 66,000,000 people voted for AKA is bogus, that the number who actually voted for AKA could actually be quite low.
2. The people "elected" (remember that when elections are fixed via programming of electronic voting machines, the winner is selected, not elected) to serve in Washington, DC, represent no one but those who selected them; in this case the same shadow government that selected AKA.
On May 15, 2009, Michigan News published an excellent article by Sher Zieve entitled The Fast and Furious Growth of the Obama Dictatorship. In that article Zieve provided a list of despotic actions, taken by AKA, to destroy this nation:
1. Forced impoverishment of the US population (it’s easier to control the poor than it is the rich).
2. Full power of US government to be exerted against Obama opposition.
3. End of legal contracts—IE Chrysler bondholders—if Obama doesn’t like them.
4. HUGE political pay back to Obama’s friends and gutting of economy for We-the-People taxpayers.
5. Obama-supporting/opposition-suppressing youth goon squads being put in place.
6. Enforced limited or non-existent free speech.
7. Enforced limited or virtually non-existent citizen mobility.
8. Obama-determined US workers’ monetary compensation.
9. Obama and his officials to determine who is allowed to live and who should die.
I will add one more to that list:
10. total disarmament of the American people such that defense against Obama's tyrannical policies is not possible.
On April 29, 2009, Representative Peter King (D-NY) introduced H.R. 2159. This bill sets about to deny the right to keep and bear arms to anyone who is "appropriately suspected" of being a terrorist.
But, you rationalize, terrorists wear white robes and live in places like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran and Iraq; they have weird sounding names and are associated with al-Qaida, Islamic fundamentalists and Osama bin Laden. Why wouldn't we want to keep firearms out of the hands of these types?
Understand that how you define "terrorist" is not how AKA—bowing in fealty to the royalty of Saudi Arabia, kissing up to the leaders of the Middle East, and more than strongly suggesting his worldview finds basis in Islam—define "terrorist."
According to reports put out by AKA and minions, being the denigrators of all that is America (including freedom) that they are, the paradigm has been shifted.
Remember that under a paradigm shift, that which was down is now up, and that which was up is now down.
As such, according to AKA and minions, foreigners intent on destroying America are not terrorists, they are "man-caused disasters" (undoubtedly, according to AKA and minions, the fault of the United States) while you are a terrorist if you oppose the Marxist policies of AKA, as duly noted in various documents put out under their aegis. Those documents can be read here, here, and here (requires Adobe reader).
This, of course, places you under the heading "appropriately suspected" terrorist; giving the government the right to deny you your Second Amendment Rights.
Remember the words of a wise man — he who is willing to give up freedom for security will, in the end, lose both freedom and security (Benjamin Franklin, paraphrased).
Following in the footsteps of Bush—the man AKA scorned vociferously before being elected, AKA and his minions are playing on the fear of the America people—of what "might happen"—to take from them their rights. This is the schmuck who said, a few short months ago, that he would not operate on fear. Just another lie told by a snake oil salesmen who has told so many lies that it's hard to keep up with them all.
On May 13, 2009, Representative Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY), known for her opposition to the Second Amendment, introduced H.R. 2401. This bill sets about to deny the right to keep and bear arms to anyone who ends up on the "no fly" list. The bill is called the "No Fly, No Buy Act of 2009."
No due process, no need to prove you are actually a threat to the people of this nation, your rights will be denied if you end up on a no fly list for whatever reason, whether by some joker at the airport that didn't like the way you looked or some government hack making the kind of mistake they are prone to making!
There is, of course, no end to the possibilities this slippery slope provides. The bottom line is that this is back-door gun control and the intention is to disarm the American people.
People continually ask what can they do.
I will ask people, in response,
1. Do you want to live under the oppressive Marxist government that AKA is rapidly establishing with the help and support of Congress?
2. Do you truly believe that someone as greedy for power as AKA is going to back off if asked nicely to do so?
3. Do you truly believe that, given their track record of ignoring the Constitution, Senators and Representative to Congress are going to stand by their oath to protect and defend the United States Constitution?
4. Do you truly believe judges, given their track record in dismissing cases out-of-hand brought regarding AKA's eligibility to the office of president, are going to stand by their oath to protect and defend the United States Constitution?
If your answer to these questions is no, then you already know what the answer to this unfolding situation is.
This is our country. It is not AKA's country. The evidence shows that he is not even a citizen of this country. For those in Congress who have refused to stand by their oath to protect and defend the United States Constitution, this is also not their country. In refusing to protect and defend it, they are nothing short of traitors. The same is true of the judges.
As established (and irrespective of AKA's ignorant remarks to the contrary), the power in this country flows from God to the people to the government, establishing inalienable rights; the legitimate government being of the people, by the people, and for the people.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:45 PMwww.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:49 PMwww.truthorfiction.com/rumors...pes.htm
Unless you are also this stupid too, of course. Then the cause is long since lost, like-a you brain.
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Re: Does the US have a REAL President -- or Not?
Mon, May 25, 2009 - 12:41 AMSnopes has been paid of to lie in the past.
I love how everyone has become too ly ad stupid to look anything up. Just go to Snopes cause no way they could be wrong.
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Fri, June 12, 2009 - 1:26 PM<<Snopes has been paid of to lie in the past.
More shit you are pulling out of your ass.
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Wed, June 24, 2009 - 7:05 PMwww.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/0...latest/
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Wed, June 24, 2009 - 7:25 PMwww.mnforsustain.org/media_d...er_l.htm
Beware she has also written several pieces on how to spread disinformation. Who here is a facilitator?
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Thu, May 28, 2009 - 6:38 PMHE IS A REPLICANT!!! OF THE ARMY -- OF THE NIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sun, June 7, 2009 - 12:11 AMAll of you seem to get very easily distracted by nonissues, and delight in proffering fallacy as argument. All the goofball yammering does is confuse a fairly straightforward issue.
We don't choose who the president is. Face that.
Obama is not your friend. Face that.
If you find yourself turning handsprings to defend him, you're no better than the Bushies you claimed to revile, asshat blue - in fact, you're worse, because you pretend you're more "moral" somehow than the crapulent, retarded, and vile villains parading around calling themselves "Republicans".
If you get all het up about procedural and legal shenanigans, red, shut the fuck up forever and for the sake of sanity shoot your ridiculous hypocritical face off *now*. Or call Dick to do it for you. You had your chance - 8 fucking years worth - to speak up. You didn't. Shut the fuck up, now. You sucked; you failed your country, and you continue to do so.
Concentrate on the facts: paying attention to this shit as anything other than the evidence that revolution is far past due is *slavery* and it's happening because you're all *weak* and *stupid*. You're easily led cattle and mooing now is nothing more than your typical impotent anxiety as you step, step, step closer to the abattoir.
Obama's addressing the world in *religious language*, pro-bamas. WTF is wrong with you? Outcry, *now* or shut the fuck up forever and *no crying* when the whirling blades chop you up into dog food. Is he fixing health care? Is he hounding the criminals? Is he rebuilding our economy? Is he fixing Louisiana? Is he restoring sanity to the government?
Why are you all turning handsprings to defend him?
Obama's hardly any worse - in fact, far less worrisome - than the heroes you anti-bamas trot around the corral. Ron Paul? Then *never* pretend you think Sotomayor is too racist for SCJ. Newt? I *knew* your brains couldn't hold water for more than a few seconds to parrot some shitheaded talking point a là the colon-stopped limp-cocked druggie, Limbaugh. Going Gault? Fucking hurry up about it, then. Get. Out. I'd expand on this but your team doesn't do well with nuance or vocabulary.
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Re: Does the US have a REAL President -- or Not?
Sun, June 7, 2009 - 2:43 PMShatter says:
"His personal nature says that he was made a very nice offer and took it. We've seen plenty of public payoffs and kickbacks from Obama, which tells me that there are a LOT of private ones we haven't seen."
He is a politician. Which makes him about the same with everyone else on the hill in terms of backroom deals and such. Why would that matter? Are you one of those people who thinks that black people cant make it without help? The real difference between Obama and others who ran for president is his skin color. That works both for him and against him. Yes there are some differences in thought on how things should be run but the parties mostly cancel each other out in most cases. But the rivalry between the parties is very real so when you say:
"Thus, Cheney was bought off."
It sounds really strange. After all Cheney, through his proxy companies, pretty much ran the Iraq war and all those millions of missing dollars disappeared in the hands of the contract companies he most likely personally hired. What would a guy like Obama have to offer a guy like Cheney? Nothing. Cheney is bidding his time for one of 2 things, another terrorist attack, or an assasinaton. Either way if one of the 2 happen I think you will find him in some adviser role to someone important.
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Sun, June 7, 2009 - 2:46 PM"If you think the US federal gov is anything but the psychopathic asshole holding your leash, you're an idiot."
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Re: Does the US have a REAL populace -- or Not?
Sun, June 7, 2009 - 3:43 PMGet to know me.
Excellent example of getting distracted by irrelevant issues, though, D.
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Thu, June 11, 2009 - 4:06 PMNo Dragon, the different between Obama and everyone else that was running is they are Natural Born U.S. Citizens as defined by the U.S. Constitution and Supreme court, and Obama is not.
I have never said one word about him being Black. It's a non issue.
To be honest, Schwarzenegger is more of a U.S. Citizen than Obama. At least once he got here he became a citizen and stayed here. When the hell did Obama actually move to the U.S.? Who knows. Some guy from Indonesia with no money suddenly flying around teh world, traveling to no travel countries on some unknown passport out of no where is now a citizen and born in Hawaii? I call bullshit.
What we have now, as Loki points out, is a state of pre civil war in this country. We have an illegal president that is setting the grounds for a full on coup. He's taking play by play how to guides from early 30's German and Russia in the 20's. His only concern for women in Islamic nations is the lack of higher education, and all of the rape and honor kills are just fine with him.
Everyone loves to yell how much they hates bush, but nobody can say WHY they hate him. Oh sure, War, let's hate him for that. We're still in both wars and Obama has 6 months in office. Nothing has changed, so you wanna hate Bush for War, hate your messiah as well.
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Fri, June 12, 2009 - 9:39 AM"No Dragon, the different between Obama and everyone else that was running is they are Natural Born U.S. Citizens as defined by the U.S. Constitution and Supreme court, and Obama is not."
That is your opinion and is not something based on actual fact. Its easy to see since you use "Special Pleading" anytime anyone questions your "facts". Anytime you cant answer you fall back on mysterious and shadowy deals being made by everyone in government to keep Obama in office.
skepticwiki.org/index.php/...al_pleading
Anyways you are wrong. John Mccain was born in Panama supposedly on US territory. But If your shadow government people exist they could have easily faked his birth certificate too. In fact there is a good chance they fucked with your birth certificate also. You may have been born in Chechnya for all we know.
"I have never said one word about him being Black. It's a non issue."
Sometimes Shatter, its about what you dont say that shows where you are coming from.
"To be honest, Schwarzenegger is more of a U.S. Citizen than Obama."
Its funny you say that since I once got a call from the republican party urging me to support a bill to nix the non citizen clause in the law so he could run for president. This was before he screwed up California. Actually Arnold has spent less time in the US then Obama so by your logic Obama is twice the American. He came to America at age 21. Obama spent 3 years as a child outside the US.
"Some guy from Indonesia with no money suddenly flying around teh world, traveling to no travel countries on some unknown passport out of no where is now a citizen and born in Hawaii? I call bullshit."
His parents met in Hawaii at a university, for what reason would they fly to Kenya just to have Obama and then fly right back to finish classes? What possible reason would they have to do that? Kenya is not the greatest place to live or have a child. Im pretty sure that his father would insist on having him in the US if only to stay on after college as his father. His father stayed in America until Obama was 2.He left for Kenya when he divorced. Its not Obama's fault that he lived in Indonisia. His mother married an Indonesian student and when the Military coup happen, his family called him back home. Naturally his wife and child went with him. You are right about money though. As a child of 6-10 he probably didnt have any.
The reality is that a black president with a muslim sounding name, makes you unconfortable and you will grasp anything no matter how false or logic defying to keep from accepting reality. But thats ok. You live in America, no secret police are going to drag you out of your house for slander. You can deny Obama, deny the holocaust, say the government did 911 and do it free of harrassment from the government. Just dont let your fear destroy that freedom.
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Sat, June 13, 2009 - 7:01 AMDragon
You are so far off base that you don't have any legs left to stand on.
They met in Hawaii? right, that's why his underage mother had been shacking up with quite a few men around Kenya. Nice one.
Mc Cains parents are both U.S. Citizens, and thus could transfer citizenship to him. That is per teh Supreme court. That was never an issue.
Have you actually bothered to looked up what a Naturalized citizen is? I have, and I seriously doubt you've put much thought into the matter beyond "We elected a black man and I feel so wonderful". You've brought up his color quite a few times, and this is the first time I've bother to mention it. It's obvious that skin color is of the utmost importance to you.
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Fri, June 12, 2009 - 10:09 AMWhat we have now, as Loki points out, is a state of pre civil war in this country. We have an illegal president that is setting the grounds for a full on coup. He's taking play by play how to guides from early 30's German and Russia in the 20's. His only concern for women in Islamic nations is the lack of higher education, and all of the rape and honor kills are just fine with him.
LOL
Now I know you are at least reading through the racist websites for your "facts". First of all it would be near impossible to stage a coup without the full support of our volunteer army. However the Bush admiistration had everything in place needed to take America in a military coup. How? Well they erroded our freedoms through the patriot act and new survellence laws. Then they created a plan for the President to take total control of the country in a time of crises. They privatized many government services which took them out of the control of the people and put them in the hands of people loyal to Bush. They even had their own privatized army fanatically dedicated to Bush and Jesus.(Blackwater) Which reminds me, did you ever see Jesus camp? They make fun of Obama being called a deity but I have never seen him forcibly worshiped and prayed to by children like Bush was in Jesus camp. Talk about re-education youth camps!! The rightwingers are the greatest hypocrites! Those are the reasons I hated Bush as the President. Because he handed the keys of America to the next rightwing dictator. -
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Fri, June 12, 2009 - 2:41 PMDon't get distracted!
Even DHS sees it coming - and their warnings were about *right wing extremism* from fringe repubs.
This is *serious* shit and reading racist websites *is* where to go to get info on what merely-racists are thinking.
The ramp is in place and the engines are revving. I've been warning about this shit for years; just as I warned that something like the WTC attack was imminent. Prepare yourselves; I'm not joking and I'd like to think you can tell I'm not *that* crazy. We are in a a state of extreme internecine strife - history is pretty clear about failed economy + internecine strife = civil war. Don't doubt it.
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Re: Does the US have a REAL President -- or Not?
Wed, June 24, 2009 - 8:36 AMBecause a guy used his willingness to clean up a mess left by the last crowd, is no basis for calling him a messiah. I'd think of him more as a janitor or plumber. Loki covered it all pretty well though. By all means, ignore the big picture in favor of the hundred smaller, media-generated false ones.
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Re: Does the US have a REAL President -- or Not?
Tue, June 16, 2009 - 6:33 AMBETWEEN THE LINES
Why Obama wants
to hide birth certificate
Exclusive: Joseph Farah explains how words
of Barack himself belie natural born citizenship
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Posted: June 16, 2009
1:00 am Eastern
By Joseph Farah
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Since I began my quixotic campaign to uncover Barack Obama's birth certificate, many have asked me about the president's possible motives for hiding it with such tenacity and diligence.
I think there are many plausible motives:
Perhaps something in that birth certificate, if it indeed exists, would contradict assertions Obama has made about his life's story. These might even involve his true parental heritage. Without a real birth certificate, no one really knows who his parents were. So it is ridiculous even to speculate about whether citizenship could be conferred upon him by his mother, when we don't know for sure who his mother is.
Perhaps it reveals a foreign birth, as Hawaii allowed for in 1961 while still issuing the "certification of live birth" we have seen posted on his website.
Or perhaps it will show just what Obama has claimed all along – a birth in Hawaii to two officially non-citizen parents, for the purpose of establishing "natural born citizenship" under the Constitution.
What do I mean by that last possibility?
Well, as you know, in 2008, the Senate of the United States held hearings to determine if one of the presidential candidates fulfilled the requirement of being a "natural born citizen." It wasn't Barack Obama. It was John McCain, who was born on a U.S. military base overseas to two U.S. citizens.
Start your own elibibility billboard campaign in your neighborhood with WND's new yard signs, asking: "Where's the Birth Certificate?"
On April 10 of last year, two senators, both Democrats, Patrick Leahy of Vermont and Claire McCaskill of Missouri, introduced a resolution into upper house expressing a sense of the Senate that McCain was indeed a "natural born citizen."
It's interesting what Leahy had to say on the subject: "Because he was born to American citizens (emphasis added), there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen. I expect that this will be a unanimous resolution of the U.S. Senate."
And, indeed it was. It was also, interestingly, the only such hearing held by the Congress on the subject of "natural born citizenship" and its application to the 2008 presidential race. Why was that interesting? Because everyone involved in this process knew – or should have known – that the life story told by Barack Obama would raise far more doubts about his eligibility than McCain's.
Notice Leahy did not say one parent citizen would qualify a child for "natural born citizenship." He indicted it would take two to tango.
He did so again at a Judiciary Committee hearing April 3, when he asked then-Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, a former federal judge, if he had any doubts about McCain's eligibility to serve as president.
"My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen," Chertoff responded – again underlining the fact that both parents would need to be citizens.
And what did Leahy say to that? "That is mine, too."
By the way, Obama voted for this resolution, so he obviously agrees with the definition of what constitutes a "natural born citizen" – the offspring of two U.S. citizens.
Now, I don't know who Barack Obama's parents are, because I have never seen his birth certificate. All I've seen is a facsimile of a "certification of live birth" on the Internet. That document, even if genuine, proves nothing about Obama's birth in Hawaii or who his parents were. Hawaii had a very slipshod practice in 1961 of issuing these documents to babies born outside the country and listing parents who may not have been the parents at all.
But I do know who Barack Obama claims his parents were. According to him, neither one of them was an American citizen able to confer natural born citizenship on a child. One, Barack Obama Sr., was a foreign national from Kenya, and the other, Stanley Ann Dunham, was too young to have qualified under the law for bestowing that privilege on her son, even if the father had been a citizen and even in the unlikely event Obama was actually born in Hawaii!
So, if we are to take Obama at his word, he is not a natural born citizen and not eligible to serve as president.
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If he is to be judged by the same standard as his opponent in the race, there is no way he qualifies. That's what Leahy said. That's what Chertoff said. That's what the law says.
A logical question naturally follows: Why didn't the Congress of the United States hold hearings on Obama's eligibility when they did so on McCain's eligibility?
I'm still trying to figure that one out. Maybe the answer is this simple: Because there's no way Obama would have qualified.
Another logical question follows: Why is this man still serving in the White House and turning the country upside down when he is not even constitutionally eligible?
That's the heart and soul of the campaign I've been running.
By the way, further establishing that it was impossible for Obama to have been a "natural born citizen" are some astonishing words found on his own campaign website. They indicate that Obama was "at birth" a citizen of Kenya and a subject of Great Britain. Why did the founders insist upon a "natural born citizen" clause in the Constitution? To avoid questions of divided loyalties. (Just scroll down the webpage and read the FactCheck.org excerpt to see this amazing admission for yourself.)
So, again, I ask: Why doesn't Obama want to reveal his real birth certificate? Because he wants this discussion of eligibility to go away – once and for all. It is a vulnerability he cannot explain away. So he would rather not discuss it at all.
But let me remind you all, in case you hadn't considered this: Obama plans to run for re-election in 2012. And that's why we can never, ever let this matter rest.
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Tue, June 16, 2009 - 9:29 AMAh yes, you see Barak Obama was trained from birth to be a US president by the same people who let the Japanese into Pearl Harbor and later planed 911. As Shatter said, they purposely dropped off a white women in Kenya after feeding her drugs to make her horny. Then they staged appearances in Hawaii with his pregnant mother and father at the university they were supposed to be going too. When Obama was born in Kenya they caused a fake birth certificate to be made and the local newspaper was forced to announce his birth. They then flew Barak Obama in from Kenya and switched babies. It all would have worked if it wasnt for those Dan and Shatter and thier stupid dog! How did they know that rightwing websites would know the truth?? -
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Tue, June 16, 2009 - 9:33 AM"By the way, Obama voted for this resolution, so he obviously agrees with the definition of what constitutes a "natural born citizen" – the offspring of two U.S. citizens."
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Tue, June 16, 2009 - 10:23 AMa guy who knows his own birth certificate is in doubt, would likely not wish to make it an issue of his opponent. It would be expected that he would play the "high ground" here and hope his opponents will follow suit. So far, his stategy has been nearly flawless.... -
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Tue, June 16, 2009 - 11:17 AMPlease pay some attention to *anything* of importance.
This is not one of those things. It's a lapel-pin but less interesting - it's not shiny.
This will go nowhere. I assert it doesn't *deserve* to go anywhere. It's a dumb non-issue. Let go and focus on anything, anything at all, that's of use to someone. This is not it. Say it out loud, "It is not important whether or not Barry the Rock has a birth certificate or not. He might be a swiss-built robot. He might be Argentinian. It doesn't matter."
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Wed, June 17, 2009 - 7:27 PMI gotta say....
This is the funniest shit I've read on this tribe since I used to post here!!!
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Thu, June 18, 2009 - 4:38 AMNOBAMA!
NO WE DIDN'T!
So, the Gubment now owns GM, is deciding how much people can get paid at the top levels, is rife with waivered lobbyists although lobbyists were banned by Dear Leader (it's okay though, he personally requested the waivers for his lobbyist buddies), and more. The guy is a charlatan and is bent on destroying America from its very core.
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Re: Does the US have a REAL polity -- or Not?
Thu, June 18, 2009 - 12:08 PMgood luck.
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Re: Does the US have a REAL President -- or Not?
Wed, June 24, 2009 - 7:03 PMWhere was the outrage when Bush tried to do exactly the same to the country from within? Such outrage of convenience is appalling.
Whats most appalling is not the content of such messages but the intent. The intent is to muddy the information pool, and distort information with non-information, and engender a perception of someone as a power monger bent on destroying our values. What's appalling is that this is the same message sent by the left about Bush, and it clearly touched a nerve with Americans. Now the right is trying to paint the president in the same way that Bush was painted, since it worked so nicely against them. Its a marketing tactic, catering to the petty "getbacks" and sour grapes and genuine fooolishness that people are conditioned to expect from the GOP, a simplistic turn of the page to see what mileage it will gain. Its no better than "I know you are but what am I?" Yet you follow along with the hackneed shenanigans of those who are deliberately misleading and making fools of you like it gives you a point of pride. Its stunning to me that you are not outraged at your own leaders for painting such an uncharitable image of you, and asking you to discard your dignity by following along. And you do it, every day. Blatantly taking the lowest, least reasonable, completely unsupportable road that whomever happens to shill it out that day on behalf of the party. You completely miss every opportunity to make a genuine, viable point in favor of the absurd, outraged and ridiculous. Why you settle for this from your leaders is beyond my ability to reason out.
Liberals are presently less and less happy with Obama, but only because he does not follow a progressive enough agenda. The right has no legitimate beef with him yet, since they dislike progressives. They still, however, need to muster the troops, shake their swords, and muddy the waters, the essence of disinformation campaigns worldwide. The only effect of following along with this methodology is to encourage your own parties ability to disrespect you and make you look foolish for a cause. It says resoundingly that your party is not about good government even in theory. It says they are only interested in winning elections. They are just as bad as the other side, and its high time the GOP voters stood up to them and swatted them on the nose with a newspaper and told them to behave like Americans interested in running a country, and not low-ball marketing their brand to the cheap seats in Wal-Mart.
Opt out already. Of both. Take back your self-respect. Reject the nonsense big business fellatio festival that is the current group of churls inhabiting our halls. They'll never do you right. Pretending one is better than the other is a display of ignorance at this point. -
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Re: Does the US have a REAL President -- or Not?
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 2:01 AMAmen.
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Re: Does the US have a REAL President -- or Not?
Wed, June 24, 2009 - 8:39 AMen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Farah
Source is important. Believing what WND has to say, and citing them as your source would be like citing the HuffPo as the counter. "Vested Interest" anyone? Believe what you like, its a free country, just don't expect a big reaction once people realize you are lapping up the kool-aid. -
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Re: Does the US have a REAL President -- or Not?
Wed, June 24, 2009 - 7:27 PMWhat I suppose it the saddest of all, between Lynn and WND (one person), you are essentially repeating bloggers, not researched facts. Enjoy.
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