Discussion: Should We Select a Moderator for this Tribe?

topic posted Thu, October 22, 2009 - 7:12 PM by  Hummingbird
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The current one seems to be gone and I was wondering if anyone else thinks we should select a new one.
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  • While I find that leaving Heated Debate relatively un-moderated seems almost appropriate, as we are (and should be) free to talk about anything we want in whatever light using whatever language (that's kind of the whole point), it would be nice if I had a little help in one particular issue, which I feel only a moderator can help to fix:

    At least three times now I've gotten excited (less so every time) to see some "43 new posts," or "51 new posts," or most recently, "67 new posts" on Heated Debate from my homepage thinking, "Awesome! Somebody's started an amazingly popular and likely controversial topic that I might have some input on of my own." Only to find that apart from perhaps 2 or 3 side comments from routine posters (some I like, some not so much), and the rest being pointless, bullshit, directionless, unrelated bickering between hokey and roger.

    I am sick and tired of having to wade through all their single-liner irrelevant insult slinging just to find something worth reading. While I respect everyone's freedom of speech and Heated Debate's beyond flexible topic guidelines, if all they want to do is bitch at each other and only ever contribute instant-message long posts *to each other* I don't see why they can't just message each other and get it the hell out of our faces.
    • Pinky
      <<<I am sick and tired of having to wade through all their single-liner irrelevant insult slinging just to find something worth reading. While I respect everyone's freedom of speech and Heated Debate's beyond flexible topic guidelines, if all they want to do is bitch at each other and only ever contribute instant-message long posts *to each other* I don't see why they can't just message each other and get it the hell out of our faces. >>>

      I saw 16 posts in a row talking about nothing. I like some of the stuff we get into here and I wish I could moderate this fucker because cheeto man and these serial posters talking mostly to themselves would have to go. I dont give a fuck about language or personal attacks because sometimes people like Jason need a check-up from the neck up. This is an excellent tribe as far as freedom goes. But as always there's that ten percent that abuse it and fuck it up for everyone.

      One thing I have seen on another site was the ability to "HIDE" posts so those that are on topic and relevant can be kept together. It would be great if tribe adopted this feature. You could then hide the topics or hide the individual comments. Here lately I have seen a large number of posts indicated on my homepage, but I already know it is the serial posters entertaining themselves with their own posts.

      The only trepidation I have about a moderator is that they would try to control too much and ruin the fun aspect of this tribe.
      • Give it to someone trustworthy. Pinky's fair and rational; Rockstar doesn't give enough of a fuck to censor anyone; I've never seen SOX actually get pissed off at anyone or get involved with any of the dumb bullshit I, for instance, am prone to get bogged down in.

        Of course if you ignore my sage advice and make me the mod, I will hurriedly go insane with power and torture the tribe's identity into something like Deathguild Thunderdome with a focus on Greek virtues and morbid Norwegian novels of the early 20th century.
        • Loki: "Pinky's fair and rational"

          Loki's always had a penchant for making me blush, but really I haven't the time to dedicate to moderating a tribe.

          Besides, I don't bother reading posts that don't look important, and I'd feel terrible deleting something I haven't read through to be sure there wasn't anything relevant in there...
  • I concur; to save the forum some surgery must be done
    • dream on
      • Oh; I shall. =)
        • and don't worry
          i will be
          here
          did somebody piss in your wheaties?
          • No; I don't eat those. Processed wheat is bad for you. "Cereal" as breakfast is a huge mistake, in general.

            What's the matter, puddin? If my regard is important to you, then just be on point and post -less drivel-. Is that really so hard? Does it seem like you're becoming a victim of some kind of program to silence your terrible truths? If that's the cast you want, you'll have to do that thing where you document your assertions and don't scream "fuck you!" at the first person that demands the simplest of cites.

            Failing this, you have to be funny 100% of the time. I mean LOL knee slappin superduper funny.
            • Go suck an egg , Lokifreign !

              It is indeed most tedious-- you shakin your slime- ridden, ANTI-Christ butt with all those depraved sex antics and, then, presenting such permutations of smut & other examples of shock- based fare *as if* it were some sort of running magnum opus .

              You and your entourage of sex-driven "hot" navel- piercing, goth chicks and boytoys in dark lipstick and bondage leather can go fly a kite .
              • Jason: "navel- piercing,"

                If you think THAT'S bad, you don't WANT to know where I'VE got piercings ;)
                • Jason: "navel- piercing,"

                  PINKY POSTED :If you think THAT'S bad, you don't WANT to know where I'VE got piercings ;)

                  RESPONSE: It's a darn shame when girls get their nipples pierced. Something as beautiful as breasts and nipples should *not* be mutilated .
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    Jason: "nipples pierced."

                    I repeat, if you think THAT'S bad, you don't WANT to know where I'VE got piercings ;)

                    Although in all fairness, a navel and horizontal nipples are among the 10 that I have.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    jason, why are breasts & nipples beautiful, while the sex organs are ugly?
                    for that matter, why are butts ugly?
                    • That's an excellent question.

                      Jason, the breasts are just as a much a perversion of Euclidean geometry as a penis - none of them are ever perfectly round - even implants don't cut it. So why would a pair of breasts (which do not fit your own definition of Euclidean geometrical aesthetics) be exempt from being ugly while the only defense you can give for a penis being ugly is it's violation of said geometry?
                      • Ditto for butts.
                        • Re: a second opinion on backside geometry

                          Wed, November 4, 2009 - 4:02 PM
                          << Ditto for butts. >>

                          Pinky, I've seen female butts that were PERFECT expressions of Euclidean geometry! Two exquisitely formed half-spheres, each the other's twin and compliment. Both hide a pleasingly formed oval of warmth and promise alongside the most *charming* little asterisk...
                          • Re: a second opinion on backside geometry

                            Wed, November 4, 2009 - 4:20 PM
                            << Ditto for butts. >>

                            ROCKSTAR POSTED :Pinky, I've seen female butts that were PERFECT expressions of Euclidean geometry! Two exquisitely formed half-spheres, each the other's twin and compliment. Both hide a pleasingly formed oval of warmth and promise alongside the most *charming* little asterisk...


                            RESPONSE: The crack between them throws them off vidually. A crack or crevice in skin dirupts the structural contiguity .

                            Furthermore, butts expell ugly looking and smelling stuff like excrement .
                            • Re: the end is nigh

                              Wed, November 4, 2009 - 8:49 PM
                              << The crack between them throws them off vidually. >>

                              Nonsense. It separates them spatially (again, typically *perfectly*, at least on the more visually pleasing models), all the better for separate contemplation. A masterstroke of Godly design, I insist.

                              << A crack or crevice in skin dirupts the structural contiguity . >>

                              Rubbish. One could say lips disrupt a face or a navel a torso or lines a hand with equal absurd injustice.

                              << Furthermore, butts expell ugly looking and smelling stuff like excrement . >>

                              Yes, but the trick is not to be there when THAT happens.

                              Unless that's your, um, "bag." Then I suspend expressing judgment as offensive to my delicate nature.
                              • Re: the end is nigh

                                Thu, November 5, 2009 - 12:07 PM
                                << A crack or crevice in skin dirupts the structural contiguity . >>

                                ROCKSTAR POSTED :Rubbish. One could say lips disrupt a face or a navel a torso or lines a hand with equal absurd injustice.

                                RESPONSE: Yet lips are bounded by the the skin around them of the jaw and cheeks . They to not traverse the face from one end to another , unless the person in question is deformed .

                                << Furthermore, butts expell ugly looking and smelling stuff like excrement . >>

                                ROCKSTAR POSTED :Yes, but the trick is not to be there when THAT happens.

                                RESPONSE: Indeed. However, the very thought they are so often given to expelling such stuff causes a pervasive association with that ugly phenomenon .
                                • Re: the end is nigh

                                  Thu, November 5, 2009 - 1:10 PM
                                  Jason: "the very thought they are so often given to expelling such stuff causes a pervasive association with that ugly phenomenon ."

                                  Then why the hell bother with people in general? To quote a favorite show of mine, "Any baby with a brain can tell you 'Everybody Poops!'"

                                  Did you know mouths are capable of expelling vomit? As are nostrils? That's not to mention burps, which are unavoidable in their entirety as they are created from the air you swallow when you eat. And under extreme medical conditions both can also expel feces!

                                  And skin produces sweat! Which in itself doesn't stink, but some of the bacteria naturally (and healthily) thriving on our bodies feed on the sweat and produce quite foul-smelling waste - all over our skin!

                                  Humans are walking biohazards, Jason! There's nothing you can do, and no body part that is exempt from the foul, dirty, bacteria-infested odors and wastes our bodies produce. Why focus so much repulsion at one specific area when it is no more to blame than any other part of the body?
                                  • Re: the end is nigh

                                    Thu, November 5, 2009 - 1:24 PM
                                    Now it's not just sex he wants us to feel guilty about it seems we should feel shame just for being alive in a human body.


                                    What a piece of work is a man, how noble in reason, how
                                    infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and
                                    admirable, in action how like an angel, in apprehension how like
                                    a god! the beauty of the world, the paragon of animals—and yet,
                                    to me, what is this quintessence of dust? Man delights not me—
                                    nor woman neither, though by your smiling you seem to say so.
                                  • Re: the end is nigh

                                    Thu, November 5, 2009 - 6:48 PM
                                    Jason: "the very thought they are so often given to expelling such stuff causes a pervasive association with that ugly phenomenon ."

                                    PINKY POSTED :Then why the hell bother with people in general? To quote a favorite show of mine, "Any baby with a brain can tell you 'Everybody Poops!'"

                                    Did you know mouths are capable of expelling vomit? As are nostrils?

                                    RESPONSE: Yes, but they do not do that anywhere near as often as butts expell that ugly smelling and ugly looking stuff called excrement .
                                    • Re: the end is nigh

                                      Thu, November 5, 2009 - 7:05 PM
                                      Jesus, Jason, it must suck so very, very badly to be you. Although I doubt you realize it. If you do ever figure that out, I hope it happens when there's still enough time left in your life to turn it around. If there's not, it's probably best that you never do.
                                      • Re: the end is nigh

                                        Thu, November 5, 2009 - 7:19 PM
                                        How you figure , Enrika ?
                                        • Re: the end is nigh

                                          Thu, November 5, 2009 - 7:37 PM
                                          God, Jason, I wouldn't even know where to begin.

                                          If anyone else wants to tackle that question, by all means, feel free.
                                          • Re: the end is nigh

                                            Thu, November 5, 2009 - 8:00 PM
                                            Hmnnnn .

                                            I keep hoping that one day I'll persuade you , Enrika, to stop liking sex. To hate farting . To agree with every other proposition I embrace ect .....
                                          • Re: the end is nigh

                                            Thu, November 5, 2009 - 8:48 PM
                                            Enrika: "If anyone else wants to tackle that question, by all means, feel free."

                                            This comes back to my previous references to Pleasantville. If anyone has not yet seen this movie, I highly recommend it. If you have, skip to the next paragraph, if you haven't, in a nutshell: Brother and Sister are magically transported into the world of Pleasantville, a TV show Brother enjoys watching about the stereotypical 50's "Leave it to Beaver" family and town. Everything is in black and white. Brother and Sister start making changes to Pleasantville by introducing concepts that didn't exist in its stereotypical/mythical existence. When Brother shares knowledge about the world outside of town, books started magically filling in the missing information; when Sister dated Popular Guy, he (and other teenagers) started having sex; then things started happening on their own, like rain (it was always sunny), fire (the fire department only ever rescued cats from trees), etc. As these changes happened, things started turning color (the books, the teenagers, and the environment respectively). When Brother told his Pleasantville Mom about sex and masturbation, she tried it and turned color herself. The Mayor (and his supporters, mostly the fathers and school bullies) found these changes to be an abomination and started segregating the "colored" people (sound familiar?), banning colored books, desecrating colored property, all in the name of trying to keep the town in its safe, colorless, "pleasant" little box. Everyone and everything had it's own specific thing that turned them color. Sister started reading (which she never did) and turned color, Brother stood up for Pleasantville Mom by punching a bully who was harassing her (which he never would have done), and turned color. ~~SPOILER ALERT~~ In the end, Brother slowly turned Mayor's supporters color by making them realize they were capable of thing so much greater (the trade-off being also so much more dangerous) than what black and white Pleasantville and Mayor would have them believe. He turned Pleasantville Dad color by making him realize how much he loved his wife as a person and not just as the woman who cooked his dinner and did his laundry. And he turned Mayor by getting him so PISSED OFF about all this blasphemous color in his black and white town that he yelled himself into technicolor. When the Mayor turned color, the whole town turned color, and became a more glorious world with emotion, knowledge, adventure, and new and exciting places to visit outside of town.

                                            Jason is most like the Mayor I think. He's so distracted by the sex, the fire, and the violence that he can't see the romance, the rain, and the justice born of the same. He's so threatened by change, so xenophobic, that he refuses to believe anything outside the box he's limited himself to (he even sees things in black and white as an absolutist - it's a perfect parallel), and thus misses out on all the joys he COULD have. While he's not necessarily unhappy (you can't miss what you never had), he has a drab, miserable, and quite frankly colorless experience when seen by anyone who HAS experienced color, such as ourselves. He is the embodiment of "ignorance is bliss."
                                            • Re: the end is nigh

                                              Thu, November 5, 2009 - 9:02 PM
                                              I think a lot could probably be added to that, but one thing I will add is that he's *incredibly* preoccupied with and so very deeply disturbed by things that are a natural, normal, unavoidable part of existence. I get the impression that he thinks of the world as a sort of giant, swirling toilet bowl of feces and farts and unspeakable, nauseating filth. Most of the rest of us don't give a second thought to such things -- we don't really care, so they occupy very little of our mental lives. But for Jason, there must be an everpresent sense that farts or feces or vomit or penises or butts or some other hideous substance or sight or aroma is lurking around every corner, waiting to bombard him filth.

                                              I can't even fucking imagine what that must be like, and I start to hyperventilate when I try.
                                              • Re: the end is nigh

                                                Thu, November 5, 2009 - 10:04 PM
                                                You make a good point Enrika. People poop. People fart, people have butts, and penises (well, men have one under normal circumstances), and we burp and goodness gracious - we fuck. There's not anything any of us can ever do to change any of those facts.

                                                Most of us recognize that we can't change it, and learn to either accept it and deal with it, or learn to ignore it, and some of us get turned on by it (yeah, even poop...), but one way or another we make the most of a situation we can't change.

                                                Jason sees this as selling out. He feels it's worth it to fight a losing battle against reality, and that's something I will NEVER understand about him.
                                                • Re: the end is nigh

                                                  Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:36 PM
                                                  PINKY POSTED :Jason sees this as selling out. He feels it's worth it to fight a losing battle against reality, and that's something I will NEVER understand about him.

                                                  RESPONSE: Indeed I do see it as selling out. An attitude of resignation is never acceptable --nOT even partially nor a little bit. Appeals to resignation are always fallacy. Situations are NEVER self-justifying .

                                                  A principle is still worth fighting for even if it never succeeeds in being implemented .,
                                                  • Re: the end is nigh

                                                    Fri, November 6, 2009 - 11:33 PM
                                                    Jason: "An attitude of resignation is never acceptable"

                                                    Poop existed before there were people who were disgusted by it. As did farts, penises, bad breath, Indian corn teeth, and "vampy" female thighs. Why decide to take a position opposing something that precedes you and cannot not-exist? What the fuck is the point? The only thing it causes is grief, frustration, and discomfort in the person who willingly chooses such a position. If you want to cause yourself that kind of anguish, who am I to stop you? I have no more power over you than you have over me. But what kind of grim, internal-turmoil-stricken person wishes the same unavoidable discomfort on others? Keep your voluntary suffering to yourself, and leave the rest of us to our alternate paths of joy and contentedness.

                                                    I'm not saying you have to LIKE poop, farts, penises, vampy thighs, etc., you can by all means seek to avoid things you don't prefer (I certainly don't go out of my way to watch others take a shit, and I'm not particularly fond of peperoni so I order cheese pizzas instead), I'm just saying that rebelling against things that have absolutely no chance of changing causes NOTHING but your own despair. I don't waste my energy making some kind of big fucking deal about how the bathroom stinks - bathrooms tend to do that from time to time and I know I can't make my husband stop shitting (his food has to go somewhere, and goodness knows it's a lot healthier for him than throwing it back up, which coincidentally would ALSO make the bathroom stink - and for goodness' sake I stink it up sometimes too), and I don't bitch to my friends who like peperoni on their pizza because (oh my gosh) *I don't have to eat it.* All that would do would cause tension in my relationships, make me unhappy, make my husband and friends unhappy, and my husband is still going to shit and my friends are still going to eat peperoni. If absolutely nothing else about a situation is going to change, I'd rather be happy (and healthier, mentally speaking), that upset (and probably eventually alone).
                                              • Re: the end is nigh

                                                Sat, November 7, 2009 - 10:50 AM
                                                I can't help but notice, with some distress, that Jason did not attempt to convince me that my description of his inner life is in any way inaccurate.
                                                • Re: the end is past

                                                  Sun, November 8, 2009 - 12:06 AM
                                                  don't be distressed. I was shocked when I realized my hyperbole wasn't up to the reality, also. But - like healthy nihilism - it's really the final freedom. It's not bad thing - it's a good thing! No reason to strain to 'save' him. I think one thing that does proceed from an otherwise fruitless interchange with Mudstones is that one spends time refining and articulating an argument past the "intelligent" level to the "ridiculously overdetailed" level. It's a good exercise for writers to try to convince Leary the sky is sometimes not blue.
                                            • Pleasantville is Propaganda film

                                              Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:33 PM
                                              Enrika: "If anyone else wants to tackle that question, by all means, feel free."

                                              PINKY POSTED :This comes back to my previous references to Pleasantville. If anyone has not yet seen this movie, I highly recommend it. If you have, skip to the next paragraph, if you haven't, in a nutshell: Brother and Sister are magically transported into the world of Pleasantville, a TV show Brother enjoys watching about the stereotypical 50's "Leave it to Beaver" family and town. Everything is in black and white. Brother and Sister start making changes to Pleasantville by introducing concepts that didn't exist in its stereotypical/mythical existence. When Brother shares knowledge about the world outside of town, books started magically filling in the missing information; when Sister dated Popular Guy, he (and other teenagers) started having sex; then things started happening on their own, like rain (it was always sunny), fire (the fire department only ever rescued cats from trees), etc. As these changes happened, things started turning color (the books, the teenagers, and the environment respectively). When Brother told his Pleasantville Mom about sex and masturbation, she tried it and turned color herself.

                                              RESPONSE: That Pleasantville is a PROPAGANDA film that has brainswashed you well, Pinky . It has helped to make the credulous tendency you have towards relativism all the more amplified---with the complicity and consent of you of course .

                                              PINKY POSTED :The Mayor (and his supporters, mostly the fathers and school bullies) found these changes to be an abomination and started segregating the "colored" people (sound familiar?),

                                              RESPONSE: TALK ABOUT EQUIVOCATION . That right there is another example of squisy MTV GENERATION LATERAL THINKING EQUIVOCATION .

                                              Lateral thinking /equiovcal thinking is totally worthless. Preferrable even to be catatonic then to use that goofy thinking called lateral thinking !
                              • Re: the end is nigh

                                Thu, November 5, 2009 - 3:34 PM
                                <<<Rubbish. One could say lips disrupt a face or a navel a torso or lines a hand with equal absurd injustice.

                                << Furthermore, butts expell ugly looking and smelling stuff like excrement . >>

                                Yes, but the trick is not to be there when THAT happens.>>>

                                I've smelled peoples breath before that was WORSE than shit!!! Then there's the people with teeth that look like indian corn...YUK!!!
                      • PINKY POSTED :That's an excellent question.

                        Jason, the breasts are just as a much a perversion of Euclidean geometry as a penis - none of them are ever perfectly round - even implants don't cut it. So why would a pair of breasts (which do not fit your own definition of Euclidean geometrical aesthetics) be exempt from being ugly while the only defense you can give for a penis being ugly is it's violation of said geometry?

                        RESPONSE: Ovals and pear shapes are compatable with Euclidean geometry are they not. Many breasts have a more oval look to their morphology. Some are pear shaped .

                        Hopefully , that answers the question of Dave as well .

                        However, something that looks like a botched amalgam of cylinder and cigar shape is betweixt and between---a muddling of contours .
                        • Re: Jason Portnoys self again. Pole smoker?

                          Wed, November 4, 2009 - 4:20 PM
                          << a botched amalgam of cylinder and cigar shape>>

                          Sometimes a cigar is *only* a cigar, Jason...
                          • Re: Jason Portnoys himself as pole smoker

                            Wed, November 4, 2009 - 4:21 PM
                            << a botched amalgam of cylinder and cigar shape>>

                            ROCKSTAR POSTED :Sometimes a cigar is *only* a cigar, Jason...

                            RESPONSE: Yes, however, the cigar reference was to shapes .
                            • Re: Jason Portnoys himself as pole smoker

                              Wed, November 4, 2009 - 4:23 PM
                              Uh-huh. Stop backpedaling. YOU chose the metaphor.

                              Tell me, due to their non-Euclidean shape, is a cigar sinful and/or ugly? Is smoking one sinful and/or ugly?
                              • Re: Jason Portnoys himself as pole smoker

                                Wed, November 4, 2009 - 5:12 PM
                                ROCKSTAR POSTED :Uh-huh. Stop backpedaling. YOU chose the metaphor.

                                RESPONSE : No, I was talking about toplogy/geometry not using it as a metaphor .Cigar shamed is a recognized geometric term . Sometime called lenticular .

                                ROCKSTAR POSTED :Tell me, due to their non-Euclidean shape, is a cigar sinful and/or ugly?

                                RESPONSE: The cigar is a quitessential shape --lenticular . The problem of the phallus is its shape is betwixt and between a cigar shape and a cylinder shape ---a bothched malgam of the features of both . Thus the cigar does not look like s bad counterfeit of a cyliner and so it is *not* ugly
                                . And No smoking cigars is certainly NOT intrisically sinful--- provided one doesn't do around other people who have respitory disorders or if one does not do it if oneself has a respitory disorder .

                                ROCKSTAR POSTED :Is smoking one sinful and/or ugly?

                                RESPONSE: No , it is isn't .They have an aromatic smell and a pleasant taste unless they're a ultra cheap Circle-K convenience store on . I like the Hondurans ones and the one's with a hint of cognac .

                                Apparently the French symbolist writer Mallarme ---who wrote some damn good prose poems liked smoking them a lot .

                                So did Alice B .Toklas .

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