"Huh, "the most" eh? Care to back that up with something a little more solid than your reputation? I mean, what criteria do you base that assertion upon?"

sure, just go back and look at your "participation" on Creation/evolution. If you can find even one example of a post relevent to the discussion, insightful or even clever, I will eat my words. Otherwise, bug off.

"On the copy and paste thing, about this thread, I have seen it before on another tribe. Dan's last place of residence was on Crossroads of Religion."

Very true, I have broached this subject in the past on a couple of tribes. This is not unusual. The subject has come up at least twice now, once in California, then followed by the congress. It is in interesting subject for discussion. Do you feel it is not appropriate to discuss the subject of why Americans are being forced to use only CF's in 2012? Why do you feel this?

"He goes to a tribe, for a bit and then is either booted, asked to leave, or gets bored when his threads are ignored and he hasn't the negativity that he seeks."

Like a lot of people, I go to different tribes, very true. I have been booted from Crossroads twice, left twice on my own when I have gotten bored, true. I have never left due to my threads getting ignored, false. This is because my threads seldom get ignored Shadow, unlike yours. Would you like me to do the research as to which of us gets the most hits? We could even throw in your derelict friend mentioned above and make it 2 to 1, my prediction is that you would still lose. You are a boring individual with very little of interest to offer, which is why I assume you have sought me out:-)

"As for the lights topic, though.....
there are studies that show that fluorescent can be bad for one's health."

Thank you for this confirmation...

"Whether these are put out by the opposition, lol, who knows?"

for the record, I had filled my house with CF's before knowing the danger therof to my family. I have since be removing them, especially from my childrens rooms. I suggest you do the same, whether you are an tree hugging atheist believer or a capalist young earth creationist like myself, it makes little difference.

"I like fluorescents because they eat less energy and don't make everyone look ywellow."

I have never been fond of the light they give off, but like you I liked that fact that the were supposedly more energy efficient and lasted longer. However, they really don't last as long as they claim they do, and I doubt many take them back when they fail early. I have done so only once.

"I don't like them because they seem to suck the life out of people, as their heart has been in schools and crummy jobs.
I tend to think of the lifelessness of them, in the same way they are depicted in the movie "Joe vs. the Volcano", but...I still use them, as money is money, lol."

Alright Shaddow, but the issue is that yours and my personal preferences aside, you will not be able to choose any longer. Big brother has decided that you must stop buying incandescent bulbs by 2012. These bulbs do have mercury in them and they are unsafe for children and pregnant women. They are also expensive. They must be recycled because of the mercury, yet no one recycles them in my area currently. Other technology which is truly safer and better will be coming on shortly (i.e. LED). Why is government getting involved? Are you for this?

"Why come to this tribe only to attack me Shadow? You have written nothing about the subject of this thread one way or the other"
Just did.
This IS "Heated Debate", remember? If I feel the desire to do what the tribe is called, then...I need not worry about the booting, ya know?
Not that I plan on it, but it is nice to know that it is less worrisome, as that relates.
By the by, I didn't follow you here. I saw it on someone else's tribe list and thought it might be interesting.
Who is this "derelict friend" of mine?
I see Loki being listed, but...lol. Loki and I can speak to a topic in the same way, or be beating each other over the head with clubs. Sometimes in the same thread, lol.
"And note, Loki never documents anything with proof. He doesn't need to as he is the ulimate authority on everything! Don't believe me? Just ask him:-) "
Not, totally, true, as Loki does document a couple of things in the past, but either way...you are missing Loki's main purpose.
I'll not explain it, as I think it is funny that you, of such proposed grand intelligence haven't figured Loki's purpose out yet.
I'd give you a hint, but...nah...it's too funny to watch.
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"The bottom line is the government mandate. I don't need the government telling me what to do about my lightbulbs, about car seats, about helmets, about seat belts, about the fluid I put in my air conditioner, about educating my children etc.. They are not my mom or my dad or my teacher. Let them defend us from foreign and domestic enemies and keep the roads paved."
I think you picked the wrong country for that, lol.
What's interesting is that the majority of your bitches, right there, pertain to things that keep kids safe.
Ever been a tow truck driver?
Had you, which no doubt you haven't or it wasn't for a significant enough amount of time to hear or see achild decapitated, or thrown through the vehicle like a pinball.
Some of these laws are smart, as relates to when children are in the car, when a child suffers permanent brain damage, that wouldn't have happened had they been wearing a goofy helmet, had not been poisoned from freon because you thought you knew how to put in this dangerous chemical properly and.....your child needs to be taught more than you have the ability to teach or have the time to do. I agree, some of the things they focus on in school are idiotic, but...that's due to parents not taking a more active role in the school system and what is to be taught. You don't deserve the right to bitch about it, unless you are actively participating in the school system meetings, councils, etc.
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