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"Homophobia is the irrational fear or dislike of homosexuality and/or related topics.
Many examples of homophobia may be found on Conservapedia and in much of the developing, as well as the developed world. Examples of this include many famous reggae stars in Jamaica and the criminal codes of much of Africa and the Middle East.
"Homophobia ... was defined as an emotional or affective response including fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort, and aversion that an individual experiences in interacting with gay individuals, which may or may not involve a cognitive component."[1]
People claim to voice objections to homosexuality for many reasons:
[edit] It's not natural
This is a very weak argument because biologists have found "gay" behavior in nature. Bonobos, for example, are famous (if that is the word) for indulging in almost any "perversion" humanity has thought up - and perhaps some we've missed out on. Also, playing checkers, sleeping on a bed, and indeed cooking meat are not "natural", yet most homophobic persons typically do not advocate creating laws outlawing such behaviors.
It's a perversion
This is simply a variation of the "It's not natural" argument. It implies that being gay is a mental disorder even though it's not. Meanwhile, some fundamentalists apparently claim that it is a creation of the devil, however given the lack of evidence of his (or its) existence this is not a very convincing argument. ....'...................."
"Homophobia is the irrational fear or dislike of homosexuality and/or related topics.
Many examples of homophobia may be found on Conservapedia and in much of the developing, as well as the developed world. Examples of this include many famous reggae stars in Jamaica and the criminal codes of much of Africa and the Middle East.
"Homophobia ... was defined as an emotional or affective response including fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort, and aversion that an individual experiences in interacting with gay individuals, which may or may not involve a cognitive component."[1]
People claim to voice objections to homosexuality for many reasons:
[edit] It's not natural
This is a very weak argument because biologists have found "gay" behavior in nature. Bonobos, for example, are famous (if that is the word) for indulging in almost any "perversion" humanity has thought up - and perhaps some we've missed out on. Also, playing checkers, sleeping on a bed, and indeed cooking meat are not "natural", yet most homophobic persons typically do not advocate creating laws outlawing such behaviors.
It's a perversion
This is simply a variation of the "It's not natural" argument. It implies that being gay is a mental disorder even though it's not. Meanwhile, some fundamentalists apparently claim that it is a creation of the devil, however given the lack of evidence of his (or its) existence this is not a very convincing argument. ....'...................."
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Re: The Roots of Homophobia
Thu, October 29, 2009 - 2:30 PMYou left out the hateful shit "It's okay to be homosexual as long as you dont have sex" like that sick-o motherfucker Jason said. By, in and of the authority he vests in himself to say so as he has admittedly conditioned himself with flawed logic, lies and hearsay of the rediculous orthodox religion. Jason and homophobic people like him are so far out of touch with reality that they cant even correctly define what it is they hate. And ohhh it's NEVER HATE. It is always some moral code they have concocted from their religious shithole religion because they are too chickenshit to own the hate they spew. -
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Re: The Roots of Homophobia
Thu, October 29, 2009 - 2:52 PMHe as just taken homophobia one step further to sexphobia which is equally irrational. If he only applied that fear or hate of sexual pleasure only to himself I might fell sorry for someone who avoids one of the central pleasures of life. But like homophobes wishes to impose what are nothing but his own personal moral code on to others. Such codes are relative.
He can't seem to accept a basic fact of life in 21st century America; if you are opposed to homosexuality your only option is to not sleep with someone of the same sex. I would add that if you are opposed to any sex at all your one and only option is to not have sex.
It is interesting that some people seem to be anti pleasure in other parts of life too. I see a similar attitude from those I call the food police.
That is those who choose to be vegan of vegetarian both of which are nothing but dietary choices. These are the people who will try to make you feel guilty eating something they choose not to eat. I was at a pot luck one time where we all made vegetarian dishes. I made spaghetti with a meatless red sauce, but the lack of meat was not enough for one self appointed food cop who lectured me about evils of the white flour in the pasta! I mention this just to point out that there is a sub culture out there that wants us to fell guilty about just about anything. They seem to be joyless souls who resent the idea of anybody having a good time. Sort of like former Senator Santorum wanting to reconsider the concept of the pursuit of happiness, -
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Re: The Roots of Homophobia
Thu, October 29, 2009 - 3:40 PM<<<That is those who choose to be vegan of vegetarian both of which are nothing but dietary choices. These are the people who will try to make you feel guilty eating something they choose not to eat.>>>
This is an interesting observation as the relativist Jason seeks to confer guilt in the same manner some vegans denounce people as "killers" for eating the meat of slaughtered animals as it is relative to THEIR beliefs. Selfrighteous motherfuckers like that will not act that way in person around me because I will get in their ass like a bicycle with no seat. I dont have anything against vegans, but if they insist on chastising me for my eating slaughtered animals, I'll kill and eat their dog, their cat, their motherfucking hamster, goldfish and any other fucking pet they have. I have a possum in the fridge right now I am going to put on the pit when we get some good weather. That fucker made his rounds one night eating our outside cats food, so I plucked him with my bow, skinned him, and I will eat him soon. The vegans can stick to their rabbit food, I dont care.Ha!Ha! -
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Re: The Roots of Homophobia
Thu, October 29, 2009 - 3:48 PM"If God did not intend for us to eat animals he would not have made them out of meat"
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Re: The Roots of Homophobia
Thu, October 29, 2009 - 4:50 PMit is not good to kill the flesh
unless you have to eat
and too stupid to figure out what else
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Re: The Roots of Homophobia
Thu, October 29, 2009 - 4:52 PMthat is why evil was to...revel
not of the flesh
but now
a new meaning comes to mind.
and as i have said before...
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Re: The Roots of Homophobia
Thu, October 29, 2009 - 8:48 PM<<<it is not good to kill the flesh
unless you have to eat
and too stupid to figure out what else
that is why evil was to...revel
not of the flesh
but now
a new meaning comes to mind.
and as i have said before... >>>
ROGER! What in the coon dog fuck is this? Did you overmedicate or something? Goooodamn! -
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Re: The Roots of Homophobia
Tue, November 3, 2009 - 8:28 PMpp: ROGER! What in the coon dog fuck is this? Did you overmedicate or something?
Thu, October 29, 2009 - 8:48 PM
no, idio
i remedicated
lsd in my book is just like
koolaid
i had some cheap
champagne left...
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Re: The Roots of Homophobia
Tue, November 3, 2009 - 5:59 PMsome of it is projection
I noticed some of the most homophobic men were straight men who were really sexually aggressive towards women.
They probably fear running into the guy someday that will do to same thing to them that they do to women.
After all, a lot of the kind of guy that would be a date rapist rationalize it that men can't help themselves, that all men do it, that their level of sexual aggression is to be expected in a "real" man. So following that logic, men who like men wouldn't be able to control themselves any more than they've generalized the behavior of their heterosexual peers.
I think that is the fear with some of the homophobic, personally I think the sources of that fear are multiple.
For instance, someone molested by a priest as a child might not understand that most homosexuals are not interested in little boys, memory of the traumatic event may be strong enough that they feel a fear towards any man liking their own gender as if they were still that defenseless child in that hopeless situation. That could be strong enough PTSD to elicit a fight or flight response in somebody around a homosexual that might mean them no harm.
There is also socialization, many men... though less today than in the past... are socialized not to be feminine in any way, to hate or reject anything inside of them that might make them want to be feminine in any way as straight people. There are boys who'll get screamed at and called a sissy for failing to catch a ball by their fathers, or punished for playing with their sister and her doll collection by a father in panic that their boy might be a sissy. This doesn't just generate homophobia, but also perhaps a contempt towards femininity and hence women as well, even though they are supposed to find women attractive they can't help demean women with the kind of socialization they get if they are taught that to behave feminine is shameful for them. So when a man chooses freely and deliberately to behave in some ways, even if they are heterosexual, they may elicit a different kind of homophobia... one where one person is openly embracing and flaunting a side of themselves that the men around them have been taught to despise in themselves. This kind of homophobia is different from the kind of those who fear being raped by bubba. -
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Re: The Roots of Homophobia
Tue, November 3, 2009 - 6:34 PMBrueke
<<<There is also socialization, many men... though less today than in the past... are socialized not to be feminine in any way, to hate or reject anything inside of them that might make them want to be feminine in any way as straight people. There are boys who'll get screamed at and called a sissy for failing to catch a ball by their fathers, or punished for playing with their sister and her doll collection by a father in panic that their boy might be a sissy. This doesn't just generate homophobia, but also perhaps a contempt towards femininity and hence women as well, even though they are supposed to find women attractive they can't help demean women with the kind of socialization they get if they are taught that to behave feminine is shameful for them. So when a man chooses freely and deliberately to behave in some ways, even if they are heterosexual, they may elicit a different kind of homophobia... one where one person is openly embracing and flaunting a side of themselves that the men around them have been taught to despise in themselves. This kind of homophobia is different from the kind of those who fear being raped by bubba. >>>
Holy shit!!! While I am somewhat offended at the assertion that homosexuality implies some sort of "feminine" quality, I do know the socialization of which you have written. I grew up in a small "ville" (Deweyville) that was made up of a combination of Baptists, Methodists and pentecostal people. "Coming out" was never an option for me or anyone else in this town. During my high school years I enjoyed more sexual encounters than the heterosexual lot.
I was raised by parents who taught hatred of blacks, Hispanics and homosexuals. this was upsetting as I learned by my second grade year of school that I liked boys better than girls. I had to endure the hatefilled rhetoric knowing that I was one of those people my parents hated. My father worked me and my brother half to death and any complaint was met with a fist to the mouth. The encounters I had with classmates in high school were with guys who boasted straightness and spoke openly against anything gay. Of course I had to stand with them for fear of being outed. I had family that were hard core KKK and they would kill me just as they killed one of the only black kids to attend our school.
My brother was molested at the age of 13 by a police officer who was kicked off the force and is now a bail bondsman. As a result of that my brother is EXTREMELY homophobic. He was forced to accept me as I came out late in life and he had no reason to suddenly hate me. He has made major strides in acceptance, but he still insists that my boyfriend and I not be open in our affection at his house or around his friends and we respect that.
The majority of sexual encounters I have had have been with so called "straight" guys. Personally I do not think there is any such thing as a true heterosexual. Because if a man has ever masturbated, he has effectively had sex with a man. Same thing goes for the women. Autoerotica is same sex gratification no matter how you slice it. To fear that is the most absurd thing, absent some traumatic event, I can think of. -
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Re: The Roots of Homophobia
Wed, November 4, 2009 - 3:13 AMI am not implying all homosexuals are femmes, however, most heterosexuals who are phobic and even violent will target homosexuals who are femmes and completely miss the ones who are butch unless they are out. One cannot fear, or hate from feeling fear, of what one doesn't know what is there. I worked in a construction company with three butch homosexuals in a staff of over 150 who were first accepted as manly men before they were found out, and for the most part they were still accepted, however I remember we had a heterosexual who was rather effeminate in the same company and the teasing he got was a daily, excruciating ordeal on the suspicion that his femininity made him into a homo.
It isn't to generalize the homosexual community, rather to point out that with homophobia... heterosexuals are reacting to different triggers, one could almost break it down and say that for some there is a:
Butchhomophobia
Femmehomophobia
Femmephobia- (includes heterosexual men who are effeminate and metrosexuals)
and to further break it down I believe Femmephobia has sub-catagories to it as well, that there are those who truly have a component of fear mixed with their aversion to make it a genuine phobia, and there are those who have no component of fear and just simply malice but may use "fear" as a justification to cast themselves as being self defensive when they are actually just bullies looking for something weaker and more effeminate to beat the crap out of. Ironically, if a guy is going to be raped by another fully grown man against their will, an unlikely prospect, it would probably be a heterosexual bully out to demean an effeminate male as a part of beating them up than it would be a normal homosexual man.
Hope that clears my position up, I do not want to be misinterpreted though I can see how you got the interpretation that you did.
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