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There's lots of evidence for Jesus! - VIDEO

2008-08-21T03:31:12Z

I hear people claiming that there is more evidence for Jesus than there is for Julius Caesar, Socrates, George Washington, Micky Mouse, etc....! This short 3 minute video excerpt of a longer video sums it up nicely:

There's lots of evidence for Jesus! - VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1uSR1mqGq4

For the full length video go here:

Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ - VIDEO
http://www.livevideo.com/video/1FDF3828A6ED4FFA99BCBA6AF9D3710F/who-was-jesus-fingerprints-of.aspx

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Atheists Who Believe in God!

2008-08-14T21:14:38Z

Yes, you read this right. In a recent poll of 35000 people across the U.S., there were many interesting findings. over 90% of Americans believe in God, many evangelicals now agree that many ways to God are possible. But wait, here is a stat that nearly made me fall off my chair. Here is a stat which defies explanation: 21 percent of self-identified atheists said they believe in God or a universal spirit, with 8 percent "absolutely certain" of it!!! I bet you thought atheists were smarter than the rest of us didn't you?:-)

see for yourself:

http://religions.pewforum.org/reports

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Hate Boomers - Yea.

2008-08-11T06:50:46Z

Hate Boomers - Yea.

In response to those who actually believe that everyone between 46 and 61 are to blame for everything that is wrong with life in America, I say:

Very nice, please continue to keep the people of all generations divided. It is so much easier for the few to sit back and enjoy life while you waste all of your energy hating each others illusions.

The 60’s, like every decade had its share of generous and greedy people. To hate everyone between 46 and 61 because they happened to be born at a certain time in history is about as wise as hating all blacks, all Jews, all gays, all Italians, or all women. Just pick a group you don’t belong to and start hating. No actual experience required, just a big angry mouth to spread your sickness.

I have wonderful memories of growing up in the 60's and it had nothing to do with using drugs or free sex. It had to do with having a sense of freedom and nothing to fear. We played outside all day, rode our bikes all over the city, and had friends everywhere. Mom’s stayed home and took care of the home and kids BECAUSE THEY LOVED TAKING CARE OF THEIR FAMILIES and they didn’t need to work to pay some disgusting pile of debts. Women could work if they wanted to; my mother worked a wide-variety of jobs. Believe it or not, my wife of 31 years works, but would prefer to stay home. Unfortunately, retirement takes millions, so off to work she goes.

When we were in high school, the images of dead boys on TV every night was not some TV show, it was actual reality. If you are a male between 53 and 62 today, you had a lottery number and you didn’t win money, you won a trip to the killing fields.

I was lucky, the bombing ended when I was in tenth grade and draft registration ended March 29th, 1975, ten weeks before I graduated. Some of my neighborhood friends were not so lucky.

When 57,000 of your young peers die and hundreds of thousands are injured and mentally traumatized, I think marching, boycotting, and resisting is the only thing besides mass violence that individuals can do.

I just don’t understand how otherwise intelligent young people can get so twisted in their perceptions of times, places, and events that they did not have to live through. Somehow their version of the past with zero experience is more reasonable than the version given by those who actually lived during that period.

What if the Republicans by some miracle of warped generation X technology manage to take even more control of government and it is decided that 350,000 additional troops are needed to “win the war.” The Selective Service for which all of my son’s are members would simply begin the lottery process again. This time there would be no deferment for college students and no welcome in Canada. If you are between 18 and 25, they start with the 20’s and work their way up to 25, and then take the 19’s and then 18’s and if that is not enough, they now can take up to 40. See http://www.sss.gov/seq.htm for details of this exciting offer.

I ask, are you ready to go? Since you won’t be marching or resisting, what EXACTLY will you so wise youngsters be doing when the letter (or maybe now an email) drops in your inbox? Dear Citizen, report for duty at the recruiting station on third and main within 15 days or face arrest and conviction for which you will have no trial. Do you think this can’t happen to you? That’s what 2,800,000 boys during WWI, 10,000,000 during WWII, 1,500,000 during the Korean conflict, and 1,800,000 during Vietnam may have thought too.

When that pressure is on your head, what will your generation do for America? Are you going to fight the evil Muslim terrorists in the sand for God, or Jesus, or Freedom, or Homeland Security? Will you be personally responsible for the actions of your generation simply because you happen to be the right age?

I suggest before you fall totally asleep, you go out and purchase a gun and go into a field and shoot some large animals at point blank range, watch their guts and brains fly, watch them twitch and suffer, then drive a bayonet into them and twist it hard. While doing this, imagine they are human beings just like you (expect you and your god and country are better). Maybe with some luck you will get your chance to either kill evil terrorists or get killed yourself in enemy territory.

The only hope we have in the Middle East, is that all of us unite against war, pull out, and let the region stabilize on its own and in its own time. Sorry, our gas prices will go up, if Europeans can pay $6.00 a gallon and build wind and solar technology, so can we.

We have pissed-off millions, if not billions of people now and this is not going to be forgotten for several lifetimes. I guess I should blame generation X and Y for playing so many video games that they think violence, murder, and death are fun games to play and that it’s the Boomers fault for dying and suffering in a war they never had any chance of winning. That makes sense right?

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Boomers - voluntary suicide?

2008-08-11T06:41:51Z

BD - book for you

Boomsday

http://www.amazon.com/Boomsday-Christopher-Buckley/dp/0446697974/ref=pd_sim_b_1

Here's the set-up: One generation is pitted against another in the shadow of a Social Security crisis. Our protagonist, Cassandra Devine, is a 29-year-old public relations maven by day, angry blogger by night. Incensed by the financial burden soon to be placed on her age bracket by baby boomers approaching retirement, she proposes on her blog that boomers be encouraged to commit suicide.

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Stop Global Whining!

2008-08-05T03:08:47Z

There is no Global warming, only global whining. Many who pride themselves as being the guardians of "science" have been duped by this junk science.

Award winning meteorologist explains that the industrial age led to global cooling up until the 1970's which led to an article in Time magazine June 24th 1974

""Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age"

No correlation between industrialization and global warming exists. The warmest decade on record was in the 1930's, followed by a cooling trend until the 70's.

Weather monitoring stations not encroached upon by urban sprawl show very little warming (.34 degrees F.)

The last decade shows no increase in average temperatures and even a dip since 2007.

If all gases in the atmosphere where reduced to the length of a football field proportionately, CO2 would represent 1 inch, and that caused by humans as thin as a dime!

Evidence in ice cores indicates C02 was 500 times higher during the "cretacious period".

C02, far from being negative, makes plants grow and is what I am expelling right now as I write this.

Global warming is junk science like DDT is harmful, peak oil, overpopulation myths etc.. All these myths tend to be believed by liberals, particularly irrational atheists.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/06/global_whining_vs_the_truth.html

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Tyson drops Labor Day holiday for Eid al-Fitr

2008-08-03T00:50:08Z

Tyson drops Labor Day holiday for Eid al-Fitr

SHELBYVILLE, Tenn. -- Some workers at a local plant will no longer to be able to take their Labor Day holiday because of religious reasons.

Workers at the Tyson Foods poultry processing plant in Shelbyville will no longer have a paid day off on Labor Day but will instead be granted the Muslim holiday Eid al-Fitr.

Tyson drops Labor Day for Muslim holiday
http://www.wrcbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8773811

Tyson drops Labor Day holiday for Eid al-Fitr
http://www.t-g.com/story/1449487.html

"Tyson Replaces Labor Day With Muslim Holiday" VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GoHooTg5Do

"Food Plant (Tyson) Drops Labor Day For Muslim Holiday" VIDEO
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d05_1217706550

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DAN BAN

2008-07-30T00:37:31Z

Changeling, the mod of the COR tribe complained to TOU about Dan and they banned him from Tribe. Rumour has it he is back with a new alt or two and it should just be a matter of time before he reveals himself again. Perhaps he can threaten to kill gay people again then lie and say he meant if they tried to rape him. ( rolls eyes ) That guy is totally insane. I may be crazy. But he's potentially very dangerous in my opinion. Like truly f____ dangerous in the fundamentalist fanatical way. OH, my goodness!!!

BOINK!!!

Got any choice words Wendy? Please do enlighten and bless us all with yet more of your pathetic banal verbiage.

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"Muslim Girls Heckle , Get Aggressive ,Then Attack"

2008-07-30T00:13:57Z

"Muslim Girls Heckle , Get Aggressive ,Then Attack"
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=02a_1217265949

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move

2008-07-29T16:51:50Z

http://uspolitics.tribe.net/thread/c96361c2-1d76-4518-a487-d59a86fd4b05

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Former Oil Man Has a Good Notion

2008-07-29T12:17:18Z

Former oil man: T. Boone Pickens, presents what is apparently a darn sensible proposal to end the disasterous liason that the goverment has with petroleum fuel and proposes wind power and natural gas, and explains the specifics on how to set about it.

The naysayers will probably put forth a lot of misled or at best hastily cynical scoffing at the proposal . But the proposal is worth looking into . Read about at the following hyperlink (if the hyperlink takes) : www.pickensplan.com/

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Where Do Atheists Have Sex?

2008-07-26T19:28:49Z

Would you believe, in Church?

An Italian couple who caused outrage among many Christians when they were caught having sex in a confessional box during Mass have repented and been forgiven by the local bishop.
The couple, who are in their early thirties, were apparently drunk after a long night out when they stumbled into a cathedral in Cesena, in northern Italy, earlier this month.

When their urges overcame them, they went into a confessional box - the small booth usually reserved for the private admission of sins - and had sex.

Parishioners worshipping at Mass were alerted to their presence "by rustling and groaning" and the bishop called on police to intervene.

At the time, the couple reportedly defended their conduct saying: "We are atheists and for us, having sex in church is like doing it any other place."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...urch.html

If a church is just like "any other place" to these brilliant atheist believers why didn't they go to some other place, like maybe a hotel room? Or is the thought of descecrating a local church just to titillating to pass up?

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One of many reasons public health should be a priority:

2008-07-25T06:00:38Z

Hong Kong Shuts Primary Schools As Flu Breaks Out

While the school closure is highly unusual, the government has been on alert for even the slightest sign of an infectious disease outbreak since the outbreak of SARS, which killed nearly 800 people world-wide, including about 300 in Hong Kong.

The Wall Street Journal Article follows:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120533552595230455.html?mod=world_news_whats_news

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McCain's "surge" only working for MONEY/ bribery ???

2008-07-24T00:46:53Z

McCain's "surge" only working for MONEY/ bribery ???

What's up with this story about the surge in Iraq working as McCain and Republicans love to claim - yet it appears the only reason it is working is because the US is paying them loads of money to stop killing US troops?!?! So they're bribing them with US tax payer money?

What happens when the US runs out of money due to the many other crisis right here within the US?

It's not the surge, it's the money:

"...US military leaders in Iraq also acknowledged in interviews that it is the sheik who commands the fighters who initially receives the money, which can add up to $60,000 a month and $720,000 per year for a sheik with 200 fighters..."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/22/18336/2602/817/542255

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Realigment :an alternative to the Punch versus Judy

2008-07-21T04:21:19Z

The following is a summary that will be hopefully brief , succinct .

A kind of outline, if you will, of the sort of social outllook that is an alternative to the contemporary social /political ideologies that whether "liberal" ---in the fake contemporary sense or conservative ....or libertarian party or moderate . So much of the doctrines that come from both so-called liberals , conservatives, moderates , and libertarians ---are incongruous (riddled with weird internal contradictions ...some direct others indirect contradictions) and/or superfluous .

(The superflous adds nothing of intrinsic good to a civilization) . So to get to the main topic of what this present essay is all about---let me just briiefly describe the positions that are the elements of a sound , reasonable, wholesome outllook on life and ideological matters .
Here below are many of the positions of the reasonable approach to societal matters and politics .

The reasonable outlook is :

Totally *against* abortion on demand (with exceptions if the child in question could be likely to be horribly deformed to the point of suffering if carried to term , ect ) .

Abortion does not liberate women and unborn women also should have rights . Abortion on demand is totally incongruous with the ethos of compassion and nurturance that liberals are supposed to support .

Favors generous social programs for the poor, and is on the side of the poor , downtrodden .Pro-union .

Opposes subsidies for wealthy coprorations. If a corporation cannot run its business without goverment sponsored corporate welfare handouts and bailouts , than the CEOS and company president ought to go back to business school and start over .

Supports clean , renewable and alternative energy .

Fervently and extremely in favor of preserving wilderness in all its beauty. Fervently and extremely in favor of clean water, soil, air ect. Beautiful landscapes (like forest, deserts, mountains, praries, oceansides) edify and uplifts a nation. Ugly , mundane Mc Mansions and yuppie subdivisions do *not* edify, they do *not* instill a sense of the civic commonweal in the minds of citizens ...they foster instead tedium of mind and vapidness ..

Supports wholesome family farmers, as well as organic farmers and their wholesome vegetables and products , instead of the hi tech junk food offered by souless companies like Monsanto and other junk food companies .

Supports the abolition of income tax in favor of a national sales tax and/or other ways of raising revenue for the federal goverment .

Is totally against racism, anti-semitism and/or any form of maligning or oppreession of ethnic groups . Pro-civil rights .

Supports equal rights for women / equal pay for equal work...is totally intolernat of wife beating . Is totally against the exploitation of women by the evil sexist and ghastly adult film industry, though does not favor censorship .

Is totally against liberated sex , totally against sexual promiscuity "being open about sexuality" . After all such tendencies are contrary to true humanitarian, nurturing sentiment --such sexually liberated proclivities foster a crass , murky, acquisitive, shallow minded approach to living .

Totally *against* lurid , sinister mass news media spectacle . Desires the mass television and television- related news media to just go out of business ---though it does not advocate censorship .

*Against* NAFTA, GATT and all those evil globalist trade programs that erode the soverengty of nations .

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The misunderstanding of sex and love

2008-07-21T04:04:01Z

Alright, I am starting this thread because...
1)The other thread is being hijacked that way, lol.
2) To give the topic it's own category, though...I expect it to just go the way of bitching.

Here's where I decided to diverge, with a little background too:
Shadow:
"It is not hard to see that homosexuality is a self destructive lifestyle."
My sister seems happy with it. Matter of fact, so does my brother.
Not a biggy to me on who a person chooses to love or have sex with.
AS for Loki...why would Loki open up to you, or reveal his life?
When people are kind to you, give you a bit of lead way, you either use it to denounce them, or try to convert them.
Both are quite bothersome.

"If Loki is avoiding homosexual sex I am very pleased to find this out. As I have stated many times, the bible does not condemn homosexual feelings, it condemns homosexual sex. Everything Jesus condemned can be linked to positive reasoning. It is not hard to see that homosexuality is a self destructive lifestyle. And I don't give a rats behind if this statement is politically correct or not."
So you aren't ready to come out of the closet yet?
Your first two sentences imply that you are drawn to the same sex, just...that you don't act on it. By definition, that would make you gay, as actions aren't required, in order for one to be gay. There are many people in the world that have your thoughts, haven't acted on them, but are still gay.
Before you argue that case....when boys and girls are growing up...they tend to be attracted to other girls, boys, or both.
To put the label of heterosexual on them is preposterous, as they know who they are attracted to and, sometimes, that conflicts with the label. You are confusing "Homosexual sex" for "homosexual". If you are having desires and suppressing them that doesn't make you any less bi or gay, it just means you haven't participated in the sexual part of that.
Now...if you have, even once, then you can't really define yourself as heterosexual, as you have crossed the bi line.
If you have fantasized about gentlemen, while......touching yourself.....definitely bi too.

Homosexual:
1. of, pertaining to, or exhibiting homosexuality.
2. of, pertaining to, or noting the same sex.
See #2???

Bisexual:
1. Biology.
a. of both sexes.
b. combining male and female organs in one individual; hermaphroditic.
2. sexually responsive to both sexes; ambisexual.
–noun
3. Biology. an animal or plant that has the reproductive organs of both sexes.
4. a person sexually responsive to both sexes; ambisexual.
Sexually responsive does not mean the act of having sex, it means that one can be turned on by them(or is that bi them, lol).

After viewing those two statements in your post, Dan, one knows that the thoughts have crossed your mind, thus making you, at minimal bisexual. Perhaps the reason you are riding Loki is that you hope he is bi or gay and are trying to undo that in him, in order to prove to yourself that you can get control on your own bisexuality?
That's what I get when I put into practice that one should "read between the lines".
Now, I could be wrong, but....I've been told to judge and discern and appearances are...that you are bi, Dan.
An angry bisexual, at that too, as you seem to hate that part inside of you.
What's the bible say about that, referring to the statement below, not the rationalization elsewhere?
If a body part is an offending member, or something like that, you should do what with that part?
lol
+SW->
P.S. "And I don't give a rats behind"....there you go checking out butts again, this time on animals? Rick James wrote a song for you..just change it to. "He's a Super Freak", lmao

Shadow:"My sister seems happy with it. Matter of fact, so does my brother."

Dan: ""seems", powerful proof of your point there Shadow...."

Shadow: "Not a biggy to me on who a person chooses to love or have sex with."

Dan:"I don't suppose it is. You are hopelessly naive about the dangers of homosexuality."

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Zero Parental Influence Vs Time Will Tell Otherwise

2008-07-16T14:44:09Z

Once upon a time Judith Rich Harris wrote a book arguing that (genetics aside) parents have zero influence on the personalities, intelligence, and behavior of their children outside the home.
So far, no one has refuted her claim.
Yet many scientists remain convinced that “of course” parents are (environmentally) pivotal in this regard and although no peer-reviewed data supports this claim, it is only a matter of time before some does.

Question: which is the reasonable position to incline toward now?

I first read about Harris in Steven Pinker’s book “The Blank Slate.” Then I read Harris’s book “The Nurture Assumption” (which explains why siblings are so different) and more recently the follow-up “No Two Alike” (which answers critics of the first book before going on to develop its own thesis). Her case is solid, whereas counterclaimants rely on unsupported convictions and the promise of future data, which may never materialize.

Again, which is the more reasonable position to incline toward now?
I’m with Harris.

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The Blogs We Read

2008-07-08T08:42:31Z

>>>>>>>>>>>Left wingers read left wing blogs, right wingers read right wing blogs, and very few people read both left wing and right wing blogs. Those few people who read both left wing and right wing blogs are considerably more likely to be left wing themselves; interpret this as you like. Furthermore, blog readers are politically very polarized. They tend to clump around either the ‘strong liberal’ or the ‘strong conservative’ pole; there aren’t many blog readers in the center. <<<<<<<<<<<<<

This excerpt (found at friendlyatheist.com) is from the following 40-page (pdf) article. As Rod Serling used to say, "Submitted for your approval..."

http://www.themonkeycage.org/blogpaper.pdf

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why ? - the black women ?

2008-07-08T05:47:53Z

have bigger ass then white women ?

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Energy Independence Hopes Via Ethanol Flooded Out!

2008-07-04T17:09:50Z

Last update: 1:42 p.m. EDT June 12, 2008Comments: 57SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- As floods of near-Biblical proportions inundate Iowa, the prophets of ethanol are retreating to high ground.
Some of Wall Street's biggest guns downgraded ethanol producers on Thursday, sending shares plunging. Biofuel Energy Corp. (BIOF:biofuel energy corp com
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ADM 32.77, -0.75, -2.2%) was reeling, its shares down 7% as analysts took a hard look at how rising waters in the corn belt are drowning hopes of a bumper crop for the region's new, heavily subsidized ethanol plants.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/iowa-flooding-shakes-markets-faith/story.aspx?guid=%7B005D878D%2D87DE%2D48B7%2D9D75%2D906880DCBAFC%7D

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An argument against Intelligent Design: "Stupid Design"

2008-06-24T13:40:13Z

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1cKD93W3yg

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Banning Edison

2008-06-24T02:12:08Z

Another bright idea from our government. Ban the incandescent light bulb made in the USA and force everyone to buy the mercury laden Chinese made compact fluorescent. In addition to being dangerous, ugly and vastly more expensive, they do not last as long as they claim on the package either. Looks like I will have to stock up on a 5 year supply of the incandescent and hope that new technology (LED) becomes widely available as an alternative before then.

Congress bans incandescent bulbs
Massive energy bill phases out Edison's invention by 2014

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Posted: December 19, 2007
7:18 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

Incandescent light bulb
In addition to raising auto fuel efficiency standards 40 percent, an energy bill passed by Congress yesterday bans the incandescent light bulb by 2014.

President Bush signed the 822-page measure into law today after it was sent up Pennsylvania Avenue in a Toyota Prius hybrid vehicle. The House passed the bill by a 314-100 vote after approval by the Senate last week.

Rep. John D. Dingell, D-Mich., chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, said the legislation will boost the energy efficiency of "almost every significant product and tool and appliance that we use, from light bulbs to light trucks."

The phase-out of incandescent light is to begin with the 100-watt bulb in 2012 and end in 2014 with the 40-watt.

All light bulbs must use 25 percent to 30 percent less 2014. By 2020, bulbs must be 70 percent more efficient than they are today.

Australia was the first country to announce an outright ban by 2010.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59298

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Pakistan Threatens Europe Over Islam?

2008-06-23T02:50:33Z

Pakistan Threatens Europe Over Islam?

"The Pakistani government has essentially threatened the European Union with violence if it doesn't accept Islam as the "one truth faith of God Almighty." Under the guise of making a simple request for the EU to rein in "freedom of expression" - i.e., freedom of speech - so as not to offend Muslims, Pakistan has basically given the European governments an ultimatum: Do not ever criticize Islam again, or you will be terrorized into submission.

The Pakistan Daily Times reports from Islamabad (6/8/08):

Pakistan will ask the European Union countries to amend laws regarding freedom of expression in order to prevent offensive incidents such as the printing of blasphemous caricatures of Prophet Muhammad...and the production of an anti-Islam film by a Dutch legislator, sources in the Interior Ministry told Daily Times on Saturday.

In other words, it will become illegal to object to Islamic doctrine, to deny Muhammad as the "Holy Prophet" of the God of the universe, and to criticize the Quran as a book filled with violent and insidious intentions towards non-Muslims."

http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2008/06/pakistan-threatens-europe-over-islam.html

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Mens Room Protocol

2008-06-23T01:41:38Z

I watched Part 3 all the way through and will watch the other two sometime. Has this guy been watching too much Oprah or what? I suppose it makes sense but I talk in the restroom sometimes. Sometimes you do. Sometimes you don't. Not a big deal really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn7mkjg6wSk&feature=related - : Understanding Our Lack of Communication

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcjeppopR0E&feature=related - : Our Lack of Communication, Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuShw33hdm0&feature=related - : Our Lack of Communication, Part 3

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Press Release: Dissatisfied Clinton Supporters Flock to Third Party in Droves

2008-06-13T17:32:32Z

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Dissatisfied Clinton Supporters Flock to Third Party in Droves

Moderate third party enjoys 400% increase in new members, as Hillary Clinton supporters search for other options for their preferred candidate; NAIP leadership “admires” Clinton and her ideals, offers her supporters a “new home.”

PHILADELPHIA, PA. -- JUNE 7, 2008 – In the wake of the divisive 2008 Democratic primaries. A growing number of Hillary Clinton supporters are searching for an alternative to the Democratic Party, which many believe has abandoned them and their ideals.

Over the past week, traffic on the sign-up board at the NAIP web site has been “off the charts,” according to the site administrator. Comments left by new sign-ups paint a picture of Democrats and Clinton supporters enraged at the treatment their candidate has received, and looking for alternatives.
“The Democratic Party Left Me”

Jen Rodgers is a typical example. A lifelong Democrat and mother of two with moderate views on issues, Rodgers reregistered in response to ‘the DNC’s coronation of a sexist, racist, elitist divider,” Senator Barak Obama, who Rogers sees as “unproven, unvetted, and unelectable.”
The Democrats’ decision to halve the votes of Florida and Michigan, and to award to Senator Obama delegates won by Senator Clinton, proved too much for Lynn Baker. “That was the last straw,” Baker says. “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party, The Democratic Party left me.”

No Obama

Other comments reveal a resolute refusal to voting for Senator Obama under any circumstances. John Polidoro, another lifelong Democrat, supported Obama at first, “But the more I looked into his past, the more I saw how crooked and dangerous he was,” says the middle class factory worker from Fairfax, Virginia. “I’ll vote for the NAIP ticket, but I’ll never vote for Obama.” The N A I P gives voters like John Polidoro a way to make a difference this November, and is actively courting them to help collect signatures so the NAIP can oppose Barack Obama in as many states as possible.

NAIP “Naturally A Good Fit” for Clinton Supporters

Founded in 2004, the N A I P is a grassroots, independent party that promotes principles of people above party and good government above good politics.

NAIP chairman Michael Thompson sees an affinity between his party and Clinton supporters. “Like us, Clinton supporters are expressing a desire to see strong, ethical candidates who represent the moderate views of most Americans. Like us, they are tired of politicians who hold radical views that are divisive and out-of-touch with America.”

NAIP advocates pragmatic, centrist solutions to issues facing America such as universal healthcare, strong public schools, energy independence and climate change, civil liberties and a strong middle class. NAIP has always appealed to moderate Democrats, Republicans, and Independents. “We’re naturally a good fit” for Clinton supporters, Thompson believes. “We offer Hillary Clinton supporters a new home.”

Ballot Access Efforts to Oppose Obama

As an active and determined political party, NAIP has a Ballot Access Task Force, which includes top authorities on ballot access law, that are actively working on ways to make a NAIP vote count for Clinton.

This November NAIP expects to be on the ballot in 42 to 46 states, according to Thompson, who also notes that Hillary supporters are encouraging the NAIP to field candidates across the country to challenge elected Obama superdelegates.

To support these initiatives, NAIP urgently needs registered voters to help collect petition signatures before the June deadlines expire in many states.

Hillary Is Always Welcome Here

The NAIP leadership admires Senator Clinton, and agrees that preventing Senator Obama’s election is paramount.
“We share Senator Clinton’s ideals, and we respect the tenacity and strength she has displayed during her campaign,” Thompson says, adding that the top spot on the NAIP ticket is Clinton’s whenever she wants it: “Hillary Clinton is always welcome here!”

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