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Evolutionist care to explain?

NityanandaRam — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:41:59 GMT

Would any evolutionism here care to present a plausible theory to explain how this bird's instinct came to existence from evolution? Please see the short video on the bottom.
http://news.iskcon.com/node/2319/2009-10-10/iskcon_authors%E2%80%99_iq_challenges_evolution_theory

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Aruba: What Really Happened To Natalee Holloway...

roger — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:18:42 GMT

http://judicial-inc.biz/Joran_va_der_sloot.htm

too sad they will never bring the murderers and accomplices to the hanging tree

at least leo frank got his much deserved reward...

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Homeopathic Emergency Room

Hummingbird — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:30:58 GMT

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/03/if-woowoos-ran-the-e.html

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Relativism

Hummingbird — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:18:38 GMT

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&defl=en&q=define:relativism&ei=dsr0Sv7vNIqesgPXroUX&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title&ved=0CAcQkAE

The view that truth is relative and not absolute. Truth varies from people to people, time to time and there are no absolutes.
www.spiritrestoration.org/Theological_Terms/Panentheism_to_%20Rosary.htm

the concept that a cultural system can be viewed only in terms of the principles, background, frame of reference, and history that characterize it.
www.china.org.cn/english/features/Archaeology/98851.htm

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Overcoming Guilt

Hummingbird — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:19:20 GMT

Guilt was never a rational thing; it distorts all the faculties of the human mind, it perverts them, it leaves a man no longer in the free use of his reason, it puts him into confusion.
~ Edmund Burke

http://www.livestrong.com/article/14733-letting-go-of-shame-and-guilt/

http://www.eruptingmind.com/understanding-shame-and-guilt/

http://www.beyondintractability.org/essay/guilt_shame/

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Discussion: Should We Select a Moderator for this Tribe?

Hummingbird — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:12:24 GMT

The current one seems to be gone and I was wondering if anyone else thinks we should select a new one.

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Nominations

lokifreign — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:39:24 GMT

Post your nominee for the HD mod position here.

Vote thread starts tomorrow.

I nominate Pinky, Mushroom Girl, Iron John (Butraeger? Bruecke? that guy. Schmendrock), and.... mmmmm..... mmmmm I'll think about it. I want Josh to have this opportunity but I don't want him to use it to make tired "Fuck Off Internet Losers" posts because, let's face it, those are fucking unpleasant, hitting so close to home as I'm sure they do for all concerned.

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DNFTT!

Adam — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:39:49 GMT

Who is for starving the Roman Catholic sexual deviant troll Jason? I vow to never post to him ever again. I believe if we just allow him to be right in his utopian ideologies in his own posts, we can move on from the sick-o fucktarded trolling. I'm all for selecting a moderator and crossing that sick-o bitch out.

CAN I GET A HELL YEA?

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Sex Positive Christian Website

Hummingbird — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:56:25 GMT

http://jezebel.com/5122283/some-christians-embrace-pleasurable-sex-toys

:But there are conservative Christians in the world who think that sex should be a mutually satisfying sexual experience every time for both partners. Joy Wilson, of Book22.com [NSFW] is one of those people. She runs a Christian marital aid shop that caters to conservative Christians looking to maximize the sexual pleasure in their marriage without porn or products that advocate "immoral" acts. And, a couple of decades ago, Tim and Beverly LeHaye encouraged Christian couples to see mutual orgasm as mutually beneficial (unlike Dennis Prager, who thinks that women's insistence on having one every time is responsible for the decline of the American family)......"

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A Touchy Subject

Adam — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:50:15 GMT

I love our Gals here, but there's something I can not seem to grasp as far as women in general go. I have pondered this for many years for many reasons. I get wearing cool clothing to feel better about ourselves or to keep up with the social norm. but what is it with MAKE-UP? All of the CONCEALING creams and SIMPLY AGELESS aveeno masks and spackle desingned to effectively HIDE what one will eventually wake up to anyway. How can cover and concealment make anyone feel GOOD about themselves? I'm sorry but it seems quite the contrary to me.

I have kissed girls with lipstick on and it is a totally nasty ordeal. The "ultra thick eyelashes" are rediculous! The clownface alter ego painting only serves to tell me these women can not possibly be themselves. One of my major turn-offs where women are concerned includes but is not limited to their being groomed from birth to "get and keep" a man. I ask the women here to PLEASE be patient with me in discussing this. I have found very few women attractive in my time. Those who were attractive to me were flat chested small framed tomboy types who did not wear make-up. The Pamela Anderson big titty big booty types disgust me. When I think of big titties I cant help but imagine granny beads and that soured sweat smell....YUK!!!

Why men find the bulbous ass and oversized tits attractive is something I may never understand. But why the face painting? Where did that come from and where is it going? Why do girls do it to feel beautiful and he-man men do not do it? At what point did paint become the only means of self edification? My query is sincere Ladies, so please help me understand this?

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Frequent Orgasms Are Good for Your Health

Hummingbird — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:32:54 GMT

http://sexuality.about.com/od/sexualhealthqanda/f/orgasms_health.htm

A UK study which looked at the relationship between having frequent orgasms (two or more per week) and mortality in men. At a ten year follow up the researcher found that men who had frequent orgasms had a significantly lower risk of death than men who did not have frequent orgasms.

* Several studies have hypothesized that hormones released during arousal and orgasm, specifically oxytocin and DHEA, may also have protective effects against cancer and heart disease.

* Research has also pointed to the sedative and relaxing effect of oxytocin and other endorphins released during orgasm, which may explain why people use masturbation as a way to get to sleep, and why sex is a great way to deal with stress.

* There have been two studies which have found a connection between men who ejaculate regularly and a reduced incidence of prostate cancer.

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Why Being Grumpy Can Be Good For You

Pinky — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:05:55 GMT

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/editors-choice/2009/11/04/why-being-grumpy-can-be-good-for-you-86908-21796720/

It may take more muscles to frown than to smile - but being grumpy is better for you.

A new study into behavioural health has discovered people who are always crabbit are less gullible and better at decision making.

Psychology expert Professor Joseph Forgas revealed his startling results in this month's Australian Medical Journal.

His findings show even the most negative emotions, such as sadness and grumpiness, can prove more valuable than happiness and other positive feelings.

But if being like Victor Meldrew can be better for you when it comes to making decisions, what can other emotions or behaviour do for you?

GRUMPINESS

According to Prof Forgas, grumpy people make better eye witnesses, are harder to fool and will make better judgment calls than cheerier people.

He believes that a negative mood "triggers more attentive, careful thinking and we pay greater attention to the external world".

SADNESS

Another part of Prof Forgas' study compared the benefits of being sad to being happy. He found that a sad person can cope with demanding situations better than a happy person because of the way mood affects the brain's information processing systems.

One of the many tests Prof Forgas used to prove his theories involved asking happy and sad people to judge the merits of urban myths spouted in movies, and found that the sad ones were less likely to be conned.

SWEARING

It might not be big, clever, politically correct or polite but, according to scientists, unleashing a four-letter word outburst can be very good for your health.

A study at Keele University found that swearing helps us deal with pain and that potty-mouthed people can endure pain for 50 per cent longer than non-swearers.

FLIRTING

A cheeky nod or wink can be good for your health - it's official. Studies have shown an inoffensive flirt, even if you are not looking to follow it up, can be a great way to build confidence and reduce stress.

And as long as it is not intended or perceived as sexual harassment, studies have also shown it can improve office morale and camaraderie in stressful times.

GIGGLES

Laughter can be the best medicine and since 1995 a form of laughter yoga has been taught around the world to encourage the giggles. It helps with heart health and is also effective in pain management, stress reduction and fighting depression.

GRINNING

A big cheesy grin may be quite off-putting to some but the widest kind of smile is also good for you, with some incredible benefits.

These include a drop in blood pressure, a boosted immune system and a reduction in stress. It also helps produce endorphins, which relax the body, as well as the happy hormone serotonin.

CRYING

Letting go and having a good blub can be one of the best things for you. Tears include a powerful hormone, leucine enkephalin, which regulates pain and other hormones which regulate stress. So tears could be a physiological way for the body to reduce stress.

SHOUTING

A good scream is not only a good workout for the lungs but it is also good for the soul. Primal Scream therapy, popularised in the 1970s and enjoyed by people such as John Lennon, uses shouting to connect to subconscious stresses and issues and get them out.

LAZINESS

People who get up early and busy themselves all day long are heading for an early grave, says public health expert Professor Peter Axt.

He believes lazing about is the key to a long life and an antidote to professional stress, provided people are otherwise healthy.

He says: "People who would rather take a midday nap instead of playing squash have a better chance of living into old age."

ANNOYING THE NEIGHBOURS

Blasting out loud music is the best way to upset your neighbours but it can boost your brain power.

According to researchers at Manchester University music fans are stimulating part of the inner ear known as the sacculus, which responds to the beat in music.

This gives the brain pleasure and makes us feel good - during the music and afterwards.

FIDGETING

A fidgety work colleague can drive you mad but fidgets are actually keeping themselves slim.

A study in America found that people who constantly tap their fingers or twitch and stretch are using up an extra 350 calories a day.

Endocrinologist James Levine, who led the research, said: "There are huge differences in the amount of fidgeting between people who are lean and those who are obese."

BEING UNTIDY

An unmade bed may appear to be the height of laziness but it could help prevent asthma.

Scientists at Kingston University found house dust mites - which can bring on an asthma attack - cannot survive in the dry exposed conditions found in an unmade bed.

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LOL! WTF?

Hummingbird — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:10:20 GMT

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/11/06/lunchtime-quickie

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Chicano Power

Jane 1 — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:52:02 GMT

How the Brown Berets Empower
ozelotl May 16th, 2007

via City on a Hill Press
By Matthew Sommer

Inspired by activists like Che Guevara and Malcolm X and modeled after the Black Panther Party, the Brown Berets are giving power back to the people.

The Watsonville chapter of the Brown Berets is now the lone faction of what was once a national organization and movement that rallied around issues of Chicano (Mexican-American) rights.

Today�s Brown Berets helped to found Migrawatch, a project that warns the Watsonville community about immigration raids, and are working on a bike repair clinic to provide volunteer services to anyone who wants a bike. Their objective is to promote the safety and advancement of the Chicano community. �The Brown Berets is an organization that brings together and promotes the community,� said Jay Palmer, a local activist who works with the Brown Berets.

The Brown Berets develop projects that are angled at empowering the Chicano community.

Evelyn Sanchez, a Brown Beret member, said that the Brown Berets is a grassroots organization. Sanchez described a grassroots organization as one that forms in order to solve the neglected issues of society.

�We are trying to speak for everyone who is not being heard by their oppressive government,� Sanchez said. �[The Brown Berets want] to give the community what is naturally theirs.�

Migrawatch

Members of the Brown Berets helped to form Migrawatch, a human rights organization shaped to empower the community, in response to the Immigrant Customs Enforcement (ICE) raids of September 2006.

ICE, a Branch of the Department of Homeland Security, arrests and deports people in violation of immigration laws. In the September raids, over a hundred people were arrested in Santa Cruz, Watsonville, and Hollister.

Migrawatch is a community-backed volunteer operation that aims to stop these raids. One way the program prevents raids is by providing a hotline for people to report suspicion of possible ICE raids.

When Migrawatch receives a tip, members send a warning via text message to members with cell phones subscribed to their system. Migrawatch then investigates the area and acts as a witness to the raid.

Lili Tapia, a Brown Beret and Migrawatch member, explained that most of the time the text messages are false alarms. However, Migrawatch sends a group to investigate each time.

In order to further protect community members, Migrawatch publishes a wallet-sized guide in Spanish outlining what to do if the ICE comes to your door. On the front of the guide is a drawing of a woman holding up a paper, her rights, to an officer with �ICE� written on his back. The guide, entitled Immigrant Rights Watch, includes instructions to not open your door, to not sign any papers, and �no conteste,� to reserve your right to not speak.

Migrawatch hopes to protect the human rights of immigrants. Jennifer Laskin, a Brown Beret member, shares concern with Migrawatch over effects the raids have when they tear families apart.

�The ripple effect [on a family] is horrendous,� Laskin said. �The raids are a violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.�

Bike Shack

The Bike Shack is another project, inspired by the Brown Berets and the Bike Church, which is focused on providing a service for the Watsonville community. While Migrawatch is focused on protecting the human rights of immigrants, the Bike Shack is a project that targets the everyday challenges Chicanos face.

Transportation, said Laskin, is a big issue.

The Bike Shack in Watsonville fixes bikes for low prices or for free in order to benefit the immigrant and general community.

�There are a lot of farm workers who get to work on bikes,� Tapia said.

The bike shack, since its establishment in early April, runs on Friday from 3-7 p.m. out of a pick-up truck at the Brown Beret headquarters in Watsonville. Emilyn Green, a membership and outreach clerk at the Bike Church in Santa Cruz, said that the Brown Berets and the Bike Church believe the project has room for growth.

�The idea is that [The Bike Shack] would have its own space and be an established project,� Green said.

The Bike Shack is built on the concept of the Bike Church in Santa Cruz, which runs on donations, expecting people to only pay what they can easily pay. Rather than fix the bikes themselves, volunteers will provide the tools and knowledge for everyone who wants to fix their own bikes. The customer is therefore paying a minimal amount for labor.

Green said that the Bike Church has wanted to work on a project like the Bike Shack for years. Repairing a bike, she said, is too expensive at a regular repair shop.

�It costs about 50–100 dollars to get your bike fixed [normally],� Green said. �We want people to pay what they can.�

According to Green, the project will make bikes free to kids and campesinos, the field workers.

�Anyone who can pay should pay,� Green said.

However, Laskin says that the project will provide for those who can�t pay as well.

�Anyone in the community can have a bike,� Laskin said.

The Bike Church is currently teaching Brown Berets and other volunteers how to fix bikes so that one day the community can run the project itself.

�The idea is to have people in the community run the project,� Green said.

Sanchez described the Bike Shack as an adaptation to the times. Since illegal immigrants cannot obtain United States driver�s licenses, the Bike Shack will allow them a legal form of transportation.

History

The Brown Berets were originally formed in the early 1960s as a Chicano movement modeled after the Black Panther Party. The group took actions in favor of quality education.

In 1968, the Brown Berets planned the East L.A. Walkouts, where thousands of Los Angeles students protested education standards. The walkouts, considered the largest school walkouts in the history of California, soon after spread across the United States and made the Brown Berets a national organization.

In 1972, several Brown Berets occupied Santa Catalina Island, off the California coast, and claimed it for Mexico. Shortly after this move, the original L.A. Brown Berets chapter dissolved because of speculated CIA involvement.

The Watsonville Brown Berets chapter formed in 1994 as a revival of the national Brown Beret movement of the 1960s. It was in light of a tragedy linked to gang violence, which claimed the lives of George Cortez, 16, and his sister Jessica Cortez, 9, that the Watsonville chapter formed to counter gang violence and address issues within Chicano communities.

The Brown Berets provide alternative activities for youth including Youth Brigade, a group for high school students held at the Brown Beret Headquarters and Girlz Space, a group for high school girls who talk about issues affecting young women, held at the YMCA.

�If the youth is in trouble we promote them by having an alternative,� said Tapia, who is involved with Youth Brigade and Girlz Space.

The Brown Berets hold meetings, open to the community, every Thursday night in Watsonville.

�We are very inclusive,� said Jennifer Laskin, a Brown Beret member. �The Brown Berets is about diversity.�

Inspired by Malcolm X, the Brown Beret meeting utilizes the concept of �Each one teach one.� The idea is that each member is an equal in the organization, and thus each person is encouraged to teach something or bring up a new topic. The Thursday meetings also include an education session, which is usually led by a guest speaker.

As a Brown Beret member named Lupe asserted, �I�ve learned more in the Brown Berets than I�ve learned in school.�

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Let's Talk Sex

Pinky — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:02:38 GMT

Try this on for size: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33587754/ns/technology_and_science-science/

When they do their thing, female Chinese fruit bats add oral sex to get the males to prolong the act, scientists now find, suggesting the behavior confers evolutionary benefits.

Oral sex, or fellatio, is often used in human foreplay, the researchers noted, but rarely seen in other animals. As such, there have been few evolutionary reasons given for oral sex to date, and fellatio is largely thought confined to humans, although juvenile members of the chimpanzee-like bonobo do it for play.

Now scientists find the short-nosed fruit bat (Cynopterus sphinx) routinely engages in oral sex, the first time fellatio has been seen in adult animals other than humans. The researchers argue the act likely has evolutionary benefits.

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Porn Again Christian

Hummingbird — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:23:47 GMT

"We have more info on Carrie Prejean's abrupt about-face during the settlement negotiations with Miss California USA lawyers -- when they showed her the X-Rated version of Home Alone ... starring Carrie herself. When the video started playing, Carrie's first reaction was "that's disgusting" ... and Carrie denied it was her. Then, the camera angle changed ... and panned up to her face. She was caught red-handed ... so to speak. Carrie was rendered speechless and immediately began talking with her lawyer. We're told it took about 15 seconds for Carrie to drop her $1 million dollar demand.'

clip

"Meanwhile, not a peep from Carrie's cadre of Godly supporters, who are doubtlessly furiously taking her name off all their materials. Don't expect Miss Busy Fingers to speak at next year's Values Voters Summit. Over on Free Republic, some readers are saying the tape doesn't exist and that this is all payback from "filthy disease-ridden queers." Ho hum. But then there's this from the conservative site Idiocratic:"

More on this in the article below about the former darling of the family values crowd

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2009/11/carrie-prejean-caught-pink-handed.html

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GOT MY TICKETS!!!!

Adam — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:16:36 GMT

FUCK YEA!!! I've got 4 tickets to see AC/DC Sunday night at the Toyota Center in Houston!!!!!! Time for some good ole sex positive postmodern kitchy FUCKIN METAL!!!! I'm fuckin STOKED!!!

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Tax the Churches!

Hummingbird — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:23:41 GMT

No special rights for religion!

http://www.taxthechurches.org/

It was the fervent hope of the founders of our great nation that its government would not tresspass on the province of religion, and that religion would find neither refuge nor condemnation from a secular government. The founders' committment to this idea was unequivocal. The very first words of the Bill of Rights read:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Whether you interpret that statement as an originalist, papist, feminist, or any other -ist, exempting religious organizations from paying taxes is a clear case of our government "respecting an establishment of religion," precisely what the framers intended to prohibit.

This is not to suggest that you abandon your church or your faith. For one thing, any religious organization that lives up to its commitments to its congregation and community would have nothing to fear from filing a tax return, just like every other non-profit. For another, when these institutions pay taxes like every other non-profit, each citizen's tax burden is significantly lessened and consequently he or she maybetter endow a worthy institution with individual support.

It is the flip side of the same coin: as your right to practice a religion must be respected by government, it may not support churches by tax subsidies or any other means.

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The Roots of Homophobia

Hummingbird — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:54:45 GMT

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Homophobia

"Homophobia is the irrational fear or dislike of homosexuality and/or related topics.

Many examples of homophobia may be found on Conservapedia and in much of the developing, as well as the developed world. Examples of this include many famous reggae stars in Jamaica and the criminal codes of much of Africa and the Middle East.

"Homophobia ... was defined as an emotional or affective response including fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort, and aversion that an individual experiences in interacting with gay individuals, which may or may not involve a cognitive component."[1]

People claim to voice objections to homosexuality for many reasons:

[edit] It's not natural
This is a very weak argument because biologists have found "gay" behavior in nature. Bonobos, for example, are famous (if that is the word) for indulging in almost any "perversion" humanity has thought up - and perhaps some we've missed out on. Also, playing checkers, sleeping on a bed, and indeed cooking meat are not "natural", yet most homophobic persons typically do not advocate creating laws outlawing such behaviors.

It's a perversion
This is simply a variation of the "It's not natural" argument. It implies that being gay is a mental disorder even though it's not. Meanwhile, some fundamentalists apparently claim that it is a creation of the devil, however given the lack of evidence of his (or its) existence this is not a very convincing argument. ....'...................."

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Words are powerful

Mushroom Girl — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:45:09 GMT

Perhaps if advertisers quit bandying the phrase "in this bad economy" about, the economy would stop being so bad.

Can a self-fulfilling prophesy be owned by a collective consciousness?

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What's wrong with being Misanthropic?

The Intellectual — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:21:17 GMT

Just to be clear allow me to elaborate. I am not talking about "I hate this group of people, I don't like that organization, men/women piss me off, old/young people suck... etc"

I mean our species. I am not making this claim that other species are somehow morally superior to us, I know that's not true. Nor is this a grievance against some method of socialization that somehow if we just hugged our children more they wouldn't be like every generation of worthless borderline sociopaths that has preceded them. The few good things we do is like a cheap shellack covering the rotten turd that is the soul of our race.

Regardless of culture, of era, of mindset, the human race has a inner cravenness that it has not merely suffered but nurtured. People will stand and watch a innocent person be murdered without lifting a finger. We gleefully flaunt our marginal success over a suffering neighbor because it puffs up our ego's. We do mean spirited things for NO reason at all, and the only reason we do kindly things is almost exclusively to make ourselves feel better. Even our religions, the supposed heralds of morality and good behavior frequently rationalize monstrous acts and make blind obedience the price of the charity they claim to dole out without requisite.

Yet if somebody voices their contempt with humanity they are met with scorn. Why? What is wrong with hating something so fundamentally mean spirited and spiteful as us? Rather than casting aspersions to people who simply speak the truth, shouldn't we be more worried about the pollyannas who insist we ignore humanity's monstrous behavior?

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What's Wrong With Being Misanthropic II

Jason Leary — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:38:20 GMT

Posting the following text in the space below here , cause there is some weird malfunction that won't let me post in the original misanthropic thread in the message board .

I-BARB POSTED :You are putting the cart in front of the horse, people create their culture not the other way around.

RESPONSE: Then, after culture has been created, culture reconditions and changes the personalities of perople by cultural conditioning on those who allow themselves to be so molded .

I-BARB POSTED :Also to blame sex on the psychopathic behavior of the human race is a pathetic whitewash that just panders to your phobia for sexuality.

RESPONSE: Amplified libido without much cultural counterweights leads to amplified anomie , and a welter of other societal woes .

I-BARB POSTED :All you have to do is WATCH LITTLE CHILDREN! I have both personal first hand memories of watching fellow classmates in grade school cheering on the most abhorrent violence and openly practiced behavior that were they adults have them Baker Act'd in a heartbeat.

RESPONSE: And I have seen first hand examples of how lusy parents often amplify those tendencies. Competitiveness which is so prized by American suburbia ---especially since the postwar economic boon ---is a leaven that leavens the collective societal dough in may sectors of America .

I recall watching a soccer game in 1979, at Lime Street Elementary school, in Lakeland, Florida (yours truly was NOT into playing soccer , but back then I would some times watch when others played) and I recall one of the apparent female adult relative's of the boys who was playing--- calling out to one lad regarding some opponent on the other team exhorting him to kick the opponent with ,

'Kick him in the shins ; it won't hurt for long !' .

Furthermore , you have all the Warner Brothers cartoons that so many youngsters allowed to soak into their minds ---that did not exist in the 1910's, 20's , ect that showed cartoon characters hitting each other with axes , and all sorts of gratuitous violence , and it being treated as entertainment . People do get conditioned by media . Don't kid yourself into thinking otherwise .

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Racist Judge Quits

Hummingbird — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:50:55 GMT

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jy_z-Zo4fvJEf2TK1LCiiPIe9NDwD9BOB3SG1

A Louisiana justice of the peace who refused to marry a couple because the bride was white and groom was black resigned Tuesday.

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It Is Legal to Blaspheme

Hummingbird — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:44:30 GMT

http://atheism.about.com/library/decisions/religion/bl_l_BurstynWilson.htm

"In a unanimous ruling, the Supreme Court agreed with the plaintiff's arguments and struck down the New York State law allowing for "sacrilegious" films to be banned from public showings. According to the Court, films are an important medium for communicating ideas in society, something not lessened by the fact that they are also designed to entertain. Expression by means of film thus deserves the same protections of liberty under the First Amendment as those for newspapers, books, magazines, etc.

The idea that some form of expression can be banned because it is deemed "sacrilegious" was rejected for two reasons. First, the standard was too vague......."

This unanimous US Supreme Court Decision still resonates into the 21st century. It means that anything from Maplethorp's "Piss Jesus" picture to the Danish cartoon of Mohammed are considered protected speech under the First Amendment. In other words in America the first Ten Amendments to the Constitution (the Bill of Rights) trumps the 10 Commandments. Religion holds no special place that allows it to be free from satire or ridicule. Just as we can make jokes about Congress or any politican so can we make jokes at the expense of religion or religious symbols or deities.

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Onward Christian Soldiers

Hummingbird — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:31:33 GMT

From the Industrial Workers of the World songbook

Onward, Christian soldiers! Duty's way is plain;
Slay your [Christian] neighbors, or by them be slain,
Pulpiteers are spouting effervescent swill,
God above is calling you to rob and rape and kill,
All your acts are sanctified by the Lamb on high;
If you love the Holy Ghost, go murder, pray and die.

Onward, Christian soldiers! Rip and tear and smite!
Let the gentle Jesus bless your dynamite.
Splinter skulls with shrapnel, fertilize the sod;
Folks who do not speak your tongue deserve the curse of God.
Smash the doors of every home, pretty maidens seize;
Use your might and sacred right to treat them as you please.

Onward, Christian soldiers! Eat and drink your fill;
Rob with bloody fingers, Christ okays the bill,
Steal the farmers' savings, take their grain and meat;
Even though the children starve, the Savior's bums must eat,
Burn the peasants' cottages, orphans leave bereft;
In Jehovah's holy name, wreak ruin right and left.

Onward, Christian soldiers! Drench the land with gore;
Mercy is a weakness all the gods abhor.
Bayonet the babies, jab the mothers, too;
Hoist the cross of Calvary to hallow all you do.
File your bullets' noses flat, poison every well;
God decrees your enemies must all go plumb to hell.

Onward, Christian soldiers! Blight all that you meet;
Trample human freedom under pious feet.
Praise the Lord whose dollar sign dupes his favored race!
Make the foreign trash respect your bullion brand of grace.
Trust in mock salvation, serve as tyrant's tools;
History will say of you: "That pack of Goddamn fools."

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Writing on a Baby

Hummingbird — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:35:11 GMT

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/03/koran-verses-appear-on-baby-in-russia/comment-page-1/#comment-224244

"In Russia, thousands of Muslims are flocking to see a baby who has verses from the Koran mysteriously appearing on his body:"

I have to wonder how long it will take for some Xtian fundies to copy this hoax by placing Biblical verses on a baby.

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Happy Halloween!

Pinky — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:33:28 GMT

It's always been my favorite holiday, and I'll be living it to its fullest today as the first Halloween with my husband :)

I truly believe it's the only thing the Catholics ever did right.
That, and giving me an early acquired taste for red wine :D

Please, everyone enjoy it!

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History We May Never Know Because Of Christian Occultists

Adam — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:34:54 GMT

In the year 1562 in Mexico Franciscan Bishop Fray Diego de Landa torched the entire collection of Mayan manuscripts and codices because they contradicted the Bible. The collection consisted of thousands of volumes and it took Fray Diego many years to complete the job. This is celebrated as "Auto de Fe" or "Act of Faith" by Catholic fucktards. The Mayans also left mountains of hieroglyphic sculptures but these were mined for gravel and destroyed. There remains virtually no trace of that civilization now because of this christian occultist.

This came after the establishment of the inquisition there in 1562-1563. The auto de fe ritual involved a Catholic Mass; prayer; a public procession of those found guilty; and a reading of their sentences. The ritual took place in public squares or esplanades and lasted several hours with ecclesiastical and civil authorities in attendance. Artistic representations of the auto de fe usually depict torture and the burning at the stake. (Funny how this carried over into the Salem witch trials) The phrase is used most frequently in English in its alternative Portuguese form auto-da-fe which has come to refer to burning at the stake for heresy.

The first recorded auto de fe was held in Paris in 1242, under Louis IX. The first Spanish auto de fe took place in Seville, Spain, in 1481. Six of the men and women who participated in this first religious ritual were later executed.

Aside from the tremendous numbers of human atrocities, there are countless documents and texts that were destroyed by these idiots. All in the name of this retarded religion. Many believers say "Well you cant blame christians today for what those people did", or "They were not TRUE christians". BULLSHIT! The murderous street gang Crips are not what the gang was supposed to be either as it was supposed to be about unity within the community and people working together, but just like the christian occult, things went terribly wrong. If you go join the Bloods or the fuckin Crips or La Familia, you agree to represent those people and everything they have stood for from the start to the present. The christian occultists are all "ONE BODY IN CHRIST" and I damn sure dont mind treating them as such. All of this bullshit about there being good loving people within the christian occult, that is just as stupid as saying there are some really sweet guys in the street gangs.

It is one thing to believe the stories about Jesus and believing in god, but it takes on a whole different meaning when these believers step up to defend the christian occultists that do and have done some awful things. EVERY TIME I speak of these mentally ill motherfuckers some self righteous reverent fool steps up to defend the "gang" I call the christian occult. Anyone who voluntarily takes on the title of those who committed these atrocities are exactly like the "innocent" person who joins an infamous street gang in my opinion. I dont care if they do not like it, that's just the way it is. If you dont want to be rounded up with the usual suspects, dont represent them. When these horrible things were done in the past, NOBODY should have wanted to be associated with them. They should have buried that title along with the atrocities and sought to guarantee that nothing like that ever happened again. But as we see, they went on from the inquisitions to conduct the fucking witch trials. Now they seek to oppress gay people. It just doesnt end with these motherfuckers. So I dont feel one fucking bit sorry for the so called "good" ones who get caught in the crossfire. FUCK EM!!!

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Guides to Better Orgasms

Hummingbird — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:32:58 GMT

http://www.biggerloads.com/male-fertility/better-orgasms.html

"The evolutionary purpose of the male orgasm is simply to ejaculate sperm. It's been suggested that men's orgasms have evolved to feel good so that men (male animals) would have more sexual drive to fertilize the females of their species."

http://living.health.com/2008/02/07/12-secrets-to-better-orgasms/

For incredibly intense orgasms:

http://www.sex-techniques-and-positions.com/sextips17.html

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Always Question All Authority

Hummingbird — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:37:32 GMT

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51AE0BQXRXL._SL500_AA280_.gif

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The Roots of Anti Semitism

Hummingbird — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:50:46 GMT

http://www.sandrawilliams.org/ANTI/anti-semitism.html

INTRODUCTION
The Holocaust took place only a few decades ago under the very eyes of Christian Europe. The Christian clergy looked on while six million men, women, and children were murdered. And as the Jewish extermination program spread from one end of Europe to the other, the Pope sat in the Vatican with his attitude of neutrality concerning Hitler and his victims. There can be no doubt that the mass genocide of millions of Jews all over Europe called for enormous participation by huge numbers of people, both Protestant and Catholic. The horror of these events transcends anything known in human history. That it should have happened at all and in our time, and in a part of the world long thought to be civilized, culturally advanced and "Christian" is incomprehensible. What would cause such terrible hatred of every Jewish man, woman, and child that they should become the mortal enemy of the populations with whom they had lived for generations? What allowed millions of people who considered themselves to be Christians to participate as perpetrators, collaborators, or silent bystanders, as six million men, women, and children were slaughtered? And how did a competition between two sister religions become so great an abyss that it made mass murder possible? These are the questions this paper seeks to answer through an understanding of the theology and practice of the Christianity in which these perpetrators, collaborators, and bystanders were raised, and which would support an environment that could allow such a horrific event to take place.

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For Jason Part 2

Hummingbird — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:29:45 GMT

What Jason cannot seeem to accept is that when it comes to the sexual activity of each of us our choices are relative. Jason is as free to pursue his asexual or anti sexual lifestyle as the rest of us are to be as sexually active as we see fit. Relativism is a vlaid concept when applied to our sexual lives. This means he can preach his gospel of repressed sexuality and we can encourage sex positive attitudes. As long as it involves consentual activity between adults (or alone) there are no absolutes involved. It IS all relative weather Jason approves or not.

Unless Jason was a test tube baby or the product of an immuclate conception or virgin birth scenario then he is here because two people fucked.

Sexual liberation is here to stay. Since we still live in a free society the one and only option that people like Jason have is to not participate in sexual activity. The rest of us are free to do what we choose totally free of guilt or shame.

Orgasms are an inherent right of being human. Pursue them to your heart's content with no limits.

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Fantaisie In Bubblewrap

Hummingbird — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:40:29 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p5GnB3mDAw&feature=featured

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Biblical Contradictions

Hummingbird — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:44:05 GMT

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

"The Bible is riddled with repetitions and contradictions, things that the Bible bangers would be quick to point out in anything that they want to criticize. For instance, Genesis 1 and 2 disagree about the order in which things are created, and how satisfied God is about the results of his labors. The flood story is really two interwoven stories that contradict each other on how many of each kind of animal are to be brought into the Ark--is it one pair each or seven pairs each of the "clean" ones? The Gospel of John disagrees with the other three Gospels on the activities of Jesus Christ (how long had he stayed in Jerusalem--a couple of days or a whole year?) and all four Gospels contradict each other on the details of Jesus Christ's last moments and resurrection. The Gospels of Matthew and Luke contradict each other on the genealogy of Jesus Christ's father; though both agree that Joseph was not his real father. Repetitions and contradictions are understandable for a hodgepodge collection of documents, but not for some carefully constructed treatise, reflecting a well-thought-out plan."

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MEET THE SMITHS : A SATIRICAL STORY FOR ADAM .

Jason Leary — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:48:11 GMT

Figured that the following would make a good post thread in its own right .

Furthermore, that you allege that a person that does NOT like sex (is not interested in sex) is somehow "A sexual deviant" is so Twilight Zone as to be laughable !

I could just see it now a married couple with kids moves into a neighborhood and one of them says to the other ,

SKIT : MEET THE SMITHS : a 21 Century , Sex Positive Family

"Honey I just learned that there is a guy in the neighborhood who has NO interest in sex at all! He has NO sexual orientation whatsoever ! Roger , whatever will we do ?"

THE HUSBAND , "We'll just have to talk to the realtor . See if she can work out some kind of deal on the lease , Nina ! That other neighborhood , that subdivision over in the West Side has some suspected sex offenders , and rumor has it there's a guy who runs around in his underwear even in the winter Sue says that they always have openings for rent there and people are always moving out, if we could just wait out 8 more months !

THE WIFE , " 8 more months, Roger !!!. * 8 more months !.That's a long time to be in a neighborhood, where there's a guy who just walks his dog, collects rocks , and spends quaint , passe NON-sexual afternoons with his friends , and NEVER has sex , keeps to himself , and never even jacks off ! Think of the kids Roger , there's a guy who never gets involved in sex in the neighborhood , the kids could wind up living a sheltered life , living in a neighborhood with people like him !!!!

"The neighbors here might never make the local news, or even be on CNN for anything exciting !

THE HUSBAND : "Honey, you are so right ! I've underestimated the whole problem ! Why 8 months are all it takes for a child to live a sheltered life without them being exposed to anything sordid . 8 months are all it takes for us to get into a comfort zone . We've got to not get into any comfort zone, or were liable to never get out ! We've got to leave this bigoted neighborhood (maybe they're not all bigots but one sexless apple could ruin the whole barrell) .Screw the lease , Nina.!

There's a guy at the at the adult film Store he works on weekends . He has two sons who could help us move for maybe a few bucks , plus I plan to detail his car for him next month , so we don't even have to call U-Haul !
The subdivision over on the West Side is the same district , believe it or not , so the kids won't even have to change schools ! "

THE WIFE : (Sighs) "That's a relief !"
(adds) . "That's my Roger always using his resources !"

THE HUSBAND : "Honey, isn't it time for the Sopranos ?"

THE WIFE:: " We've got time yet . There's another 15 minutes before it comes on . I'm recording an issue of the Family Guy for Jasmine . With Kindergarden starting up , she'll be able to teach the kids new cuss words , and show that were a 21 Century family, and that the Smith household doesn't raise any sheltered bigots or placid feebs .

THE HUSBAND : "That's the shiznik ! Honey , I love you-- upscale , high maintence warts and all !"

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Extremism

Pinky — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:23:39 GMT

Jason, you're fond of taking things to the absolutes. You either are, or you're not. You're either in or you're out. You're either good, or you're evil.

Right?

And to hang out anywhere in between is an abomination!

Right?

Consider this picture:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2448/3938151801_c1cdf0e118.jpg

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Wha the fuck is this shit?

Hokey — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:47:16 GMT

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. – A former cashier for The Home Depot who has been wearing a "One nation under God" button on his work apron for more than a year has been fired, he says because of the religious reference. The company claims that expressing such personal beliefs is simply not allowed.

"I've worn it for well over a year and I support my country and God," Trevor Keezor said Tuesday. "I was just doing what I think every American should do, just love my country."

The American flag button Keezer wore in the Florida store since March 2008 says "One nation under God, indivisible."

Earlier this month, he began bringing a Bible to read during his lunch break at the store in the rural town of Okeechobee, about 140 miles north of Miami. That's when he says The Home Depot management told him he would have to remove the button.

Keezer refused, and he was fired on Oct. 23, he said.

"It feels kind of like a punishment, like I was punished for just loving my country," Keezer said.

A Home Depot spokesman said Keezer was fired because he violated the company's dress code.

"This associate chose to wear a button that expressed his religious beliefs. The issue is not whether or not we agree with the message on the button," Craig Fishel said. "That's not our place to say, which is exactly why we have a blanket policy, which is long-standing and well-communicated to our associates, that only company-provided pins and badges can be worn on our aprons."

Fishel said Keezer was offered a company-approved pin that said, "United We Stand," but he declined.

Keezer's lawyer, Kara Skorupa, said she planned to sue the Atlanta-based company.

"There are federal and state laws that protect against religious discrimination," Skorupa said. "It's not like he was out in the aisles preaching to people."

Keezer said he was working at the store to earn money for college, and wore the button to support his country and his 27-year-old brother, who is in the National Guard and is set to report in December for a second tour of duty in Iraq.

Skorupa noted the slogan on Keezer's pin is straight from the Pledge of Allegiance.

"These mottos and sayings that involve God, that's part of our country and historical fabric," Skorupa said. "In God we trust is on our money."

Michael Masinter, a civil rights and employment law professor at NOVA Southeastern University in Fort Lauderdale, said any lawsuit over religious discrimination might be a tough one to win.

"Because it's a private business, not one that's owned and operated by the government, it doesn't have to operate under the free speech provisions of the First Amendment," Masinter said.

"But we're not talking about religious displays here," he said. "This sounds more like a political message ... Wearing a button of that sort would not easily be described as a traditional form of religious expression like wearing a cross or wearing a yarmulke."

http://m.www.yahoo.com/_ylt=ApzKEvoSX34BB5OxFiM1fDKbvZx4;_ylu=X3oDMTM4M2xqcmw2BGEDMDkxMDI4IG5ld3MgZ29kIGJ1dHRvbiB0BGNwb3MDMQRnA2lkLTE0MzE4BGludGwDdXMEcGtndgM2BHBvcwMyBHNlYwN0ZC1mZWF0BHNsawN0aXRsZQRzbHBvcwNGBHRlc3QDNzAx/SIG=11oi0hbu1/**http%3A//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_god_button_home_depot

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Those Darn Socialist Agencies!

Hummingbird — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:24:59 GMT

http://www.madatoms.com/site/blog/socialist-agencies-destroying-america

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...

Hokey — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:03:21 GMT

Angels are solitary human males, and want to get drawn down here to get destroyed. Can you figure why it is I think this is all full of shit?

Honestly, is people joined as Adam Kadmon's draw ever closer and closer, then merge completely, there is no further sex between them. You don't really fuck yourself. I can't say exactly where that occurs, but maybe one aspect is that God doesn't want to hear any buisness about sex when there's a whole panoply of creation to work on. Think about this: most christians aren't that bright. Don't let them eat you to get more intelligent. This is a fanstasy playground. Are there ruins on Mars, or on the Moon? I don't care. Bustin' out way past that. That may be as far as the space-faring Annunaki got. Don't give them any intellectual fuel to get further. Never have butt-sex with a christian, you'll regret it.
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I'm saying this world is full of shit. Completely full of shit. If sex didn't have some spiritual aspects to it, there would be no problem.

As it is, no one wants to leave this form. I simply don't know why. There's other shit to do. Bitmap that fucker of a solar system back into the universe when you start looking at the stars again.

Ya knopw, when I suggested to Marvin that gay sex would likely decline when mankind got out into space, he seemed to not be happy.

I can't explain why women feel the way they do, and I can't explain male homosexuality all that easily. Best I can say is it's a miswire, if I say anything else, everyone starts flinging mud. And it's so stupid. Is this the reason the vices of the Form Pillar exist? Because someone got fucked wrong? I really don't think so. I think that's all imaginary. And it won't ever exist. Move onto the next type of form, and see how you can grow evil there.
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Got yer high-heels on? "Bad Santa".
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Sodom & Gommorrah! SHIT! I guess you'll fight over "her" forever.

You're a laugh riot. Why the hell am I feeling this gay sex bullshit all the time?

I really hope it's the christians. You're all falling into a abyss of lust.
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God's Bones FoundToday, 5:06 PM
blog.sarcasmsociety.com/scienc...ng.html

"Our fastest held beliefs and greatest scientific laws and theories have come undone by the discovery of God’s fossilized remains in the highlands of Armenia, in the vicinity of Mt Ararat. The discovery was made by an international team of archeologists of varying religious backgrounds (including several atheists)............."

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Vote Josh for moderator

Josh — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:39:14 GMT

I'm against this coup d'etat concept of replacing the moderator just because the current one found a job, is getting laid, died, is incarcerated, forgot the password, or is otherwise awol.

But if you are set on replacing the current commadante, pick me.

I promise I will keep it fun, keep it cool, and be here to respond to all of your complaints, whining, late night worries about Camus, or whatever.

Plus, I have my ego/id under control and don't really give a shit.

You could not ask for more from a moderator.

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The Hanged Man

Hokey — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:24:06 GMT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RWS_Tarot_12_Hanged_Man.jpg

We here in Geburah see what you do.

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Militant Atheists

Pinky — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:31:53 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulAl4OjwvG4

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A Conscious Sexuality

Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:32:24 GMT

Women say they like foreplay. And they like to talk, communicate. I've long thought that men should take time turning women on. Why not? They seem to like it. And often, they respond to the slightest touch. Also, though of course many like to extend the duration of the sexual act, no one wants to belabour something which has no passion or friendliness to it. Also, I think people should take the time to use contraception. It really doesn't reduce pleasure so much. There are ribbed varieties. Essentially, I think that men and women should grow closer before, and during the sexual act. And after. If expression is free, much more pleasure can be had by both parties, on many levels, psychosexual, intimacy-wise, and after a sensual manner. What are your opinion. Feel free to describe how you feel regarding this topic, and be sure to say what it is you find pleasureable about intimacy, for these are human beings we have sex with.

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Free Thought

Hummingbird — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:31:02 GMT

http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/

"Freethought Today
Freethought Today, the only freethought newspaper in North America, is published 10 times a year (with combined issues in January/February and June/July). Edited by Annie Laurie Gaylor, Freethought Today covers timely news related to state/church separation and includes articles of interest to freethinkers"

A project of the Freedom From Religion Foundation

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For Jason

Pinky — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:23:23 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61BjviqrET8

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I guarantee you don't want to look here.

Hokey — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:44:48 GMT

I really don't.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

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Afghanistan Before The Wars (Hippie Film, circa '72

Hokey — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:17:35 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjCiV4N3R7g&feature=related

4th part, young kid in Iran makes the conversation.

http://www.enotes.com/shakespeare-quotes/nothing-either-good-bad-but-thinking-makes

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What does the Bible say about Cheetos?

Fri, 27 Feb 2009 06:02:57 GMT

Athiests are idiots!

Cheetos are proof of God!

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Jason, Did Jesus Exist?

Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:36:03 GMT

Convince me.

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Adam is Dan's ass kissing sockpuppet

Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:25:05 GMT

Don't believe me?

Check out Adam's comments on the photo of Dan's alleged "family."

"Dan you have a BEAUTIFUL family. In fact, I am voting it "Best of Tribe" because to raise this many children and have them all turn out wonderful and loving takes more than most people could imagine. I feel awful for the rude things I have said to and about you in our arguments. They say a picture is worth a thousand words, and this one speaks volumes about you Sir."

--Only a sockpuppet would kiss Dan's ass so much.

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What Will Mr.Piss Be Doing A Billion Years From Now ?

Jason Leary — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:55:30 GMT

What will Mr.Piss be doing a billion years from now ?

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Nihilism

B-b — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:57:17 GMT

I want to explore what this way of looking at things means. I'm just so intrigued!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

"Nihilism is the philosophical doctrine suggesting that values do not exist but rather are falsely invented."

"Often this means or is meant to imply that the beliefs of the accuser are more substantial or truthful, whereas the beliefs of the accused are nihilistic, and thereby comparatively amount to nothing (or are simply claimed to be destructively amoralistic)."

"Though the term nihilism was first popularized by the novelist Ivan Turgenev,[6] it was first introduced into philosophical discourse by Friedrich Heinrich Jacobi (1743–1819), who used the term to characterize rationalism,[citation needed] and in particular Immanuel Kant's "critical" philosophy in order to carry out a reductio ad absurdum according to which all rationalism (philosophy as criticism) reduces to nihilism, and thus it should be avoided and replaced with a return to some type of faith and revelation."

"Søren Kierkegaard posited an early form of nihilism which he referred to as levelling.[8] Levelling was the process of suppressing individuality to a point where the individual's uniqueness becomes non-existent and nothing meaningful in his existence can be affirmed:

Levelling at its maximum is like the stillness of death, where one can hear one's own heartbeat, a stillness like death, into which nothing can penetrate, in which everything sinks, powerless. One person can head a rebellion, but one person cannot head this levelling process, for that would make him a leader and he would avoid being levelled. Each individual can in his little circle participate in this levelling, but it is an abstract process, and levelling is abstraction conquering individuality.

– Søren Kierkegaard, The Present Age, translated by Alexander Dru with Foreword by Walter Kaufmann, p. 51-53"

"Nietzsche characterized nihilism as emptying the world and especially human existence of meaning, purpose, comprehensible truth, or essential value. He hints that nihilism can become a false belief, when it leads individuals to discard any hope of meaning in the world and thus to invent some compensatory alternate measure of significance. Nietzsche used the phrase 'Christians and other nihilists', which is consistent with Christianity in general as Nietzsche describes nihilism, though as nihilism is now commonly construed, Christian philosophy is its opposite. Another prominent philosopher who has written on the subject is Martin Heidegger, who argued that "[the term] nihilism has a very specific meaning. What remains unquestioned and forgotten in metaphysics is being; and hence, it is nihilistic."[17]"

"Nietzsche asserts that this nihilism is a result of valuing "higher", "divine" or "meta-physical" things (such as God), that do not in turn value "base", "human" or "earthly" things. But a person who rejects God and the divine may still retain the belief that all "base", "earthly", or "human" ideas are still valueless because they were considered so in the previous belief system (such as a Christian who becomes a communist and believes fully in the party structure and leader). In this interpretation, any form of idealism, after being rejected by the idealist, leads to nihilism. Moreover, this is the source of "inconsistency on the part of the nihilists". The nihilist continues to believe that only "higher" values and truths are worthy of being called such, but rejects the idea that they exist. Because of this rejection, all ideas described as true or valuable are rejected by the nihilist as impossible because they do not meet the previously established standards."

"In this sense, it is the philosophical equivalent to the Russian political movement: the leap beyond scepticism — the desire to destroy meaning, knowledge, and value. To Nietzsche, it was irrational because the human soul thrives on value."

"Nihilism, then, was in a sense like suicide and mass murder all at once."

I like that line

"He considered faith in the categories of reason, seeking either to overcome or ignore nature, to be the cause of such nihilism. "We have measured the value of the world according to categories that refer to a purely fictitious world".[19] He saw this philosophy as present in Christianity (which he described as 'slave morality'), Buddhism, morality, asceticism and any excessively skeptical philosophy."

"Nietzsche's complex relationship with nihilism can be seen in his statement that "I praise, I do not reproach, [nihilism's] arrival. I believe it is one of the greatest crises, a moment of the deepest self-reflection of humanity. Whether man recovers from it, whether he becomes master of this crisis, is a question of his strength!".[20] While this may appear to imply his allegiance to the nihilist viewpoint, it would be more accurate to say that Nietzsche saw the coming of nihilism as valuable in the long term (as well as ironically acknowledging that nihilism exists in the world so has more gravity compared with categories that refer to a purely fictitious world). According to Nietzsche, it is only once nihilism is overcome that a culture can have a true foundation upon which to thrive. He wished to hasten its coming only so that he could also hasten its ultimate departure."

"'To the clean are all things clean' — thus say the people. I, however, say unto you: To the swine all things become swinish! Therefore preach the visionaries and bowed-heads (whose hearts are also bowed down): 'The world itself is a filthy monster.' For these are all unclean spirits; especially those, however, who have no peace or rest, unless they see the world FROM THE BACKSIDE — the backworldsmen! TO THOSE do I say it to the face, although it sound unpleasantly: the world resembleth man, in that it hath a backside, — SO MUCH is true! There is in the world much filth: SO MUCH is true! But the world itself is not therefore a filthy monster!

– Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra"

How do *you* feel about Nihilism?

I rather like it.

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WTF Would Jesus Do?

Hummingbird — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:49:54 GMT

www.wtfwjdbitch.blogspot.com/

A blog by a Christian who calls out other Christians on their shit.

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Jason the Fuckstain

Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:24:01 GMT

Record your vote here.

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Notes For A Moral Indictment Of Lokifreign

Jason Leary — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:12:06 GMT

Here below is a transcript of scurrilous and diabolical statements from Lokifreign, together with the hyperlinks he included which display photographs of a sadomasochistic nature . Let the moral indictment of Loki begin .

The indictment is not some sort of indictment that calls for any enforcement . I merely seek to get people to ostracize Loki until such time as he explicitly renounces the evil opinions he supports . In the follow up post I will include the address to the tribe message in a hyperlink . The transcript is taken from a message about how Quadaffi's translator collapses . It is from a tribe message board titled : 'Political Junkies' .

HERE BELOW IS A POST BY LOKI
Fri, October 2, 2009 - 4:42 PM
Let's use this space for power-exchange / erotic photography, from here onward.

www.fetish-usa.com/images/p...10007.jpg
www.fetish-usa.com/images/p...18030.jpg
www.fetish-usa.com/images/p...19039.jpg

The doe-eyed ingénue with the skinny legs is presented especially for Mudstones. Enjoy! She looks very chaste, to me. Very intelligent, too, and maybe even more than a little nervous about what might happen....!!! the mystery!!! art is way cool.

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Tiddlywinks.

Hokey — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:25:08 GMT

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiddlywinks&ei=mVHkSpOoIMnd8Qa8oO2HBw&sa=X&oi=spellmeleon_result&resnum=2&ct=result&ved=0CBAQhgIwAQ&usg=AFQjCNEuxhACJzPuTxgNaGvF0pJDXWu50g

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Geeks need to screw, too.

Josh — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:25:17 GMT

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Pathological Murderers Should Be Destroyed

lokifreign — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:58:21 GMT

"Humanely", sure. If anyone, though, needs a putting down, shouldn't it be those who are unable to prevent themselves from killing? I'm always surprised when someone argues this point, and usually disappointed by the typical arguments presented - not that they aren't deeply felt, but that they are only valid when it's assumed that a sane system *can't* be arrived at. I'm open to the idea of some other fate for them, but I find, then, that the argument resumes the assumption of an ideal state, rather than a functional or pragmatically achievable one.

I'm going to go ahead and throw in pathologically violent offenders of any sort, just to push the envelope.

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Interrupted Sleep

Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:05:12 GMT

Somewhere last night I posted a video of monstrosities, most of which were from the sea. I just had a dream.

There was some kind of floating installation. there were platforms on the outsdie edges of it. I was on one of them. I was resting on one. These were right near the sea's surface. I'm notreally afraid of the sea. I think certain Sun Signs are though. There's some realy sick, scary shit in the Sea. Some things were trying to get at me. I knew they were coming up. The worst of the worst haven't even been created yet. The dark bluegreen brackish grey waters. So some were whales, of a sort. They were going to leap up and eat me. This dream wasn't for me. I'm not afraid of the Sea. No wait...

I'm deathly afraid of the Sea. I don't want to see some of those things. God's got far too inventive a mind. That platform was right at the surface. I was trying to sleep there. I was locked outside. That installation was floating, it wasn't moored. It wasn't right at the seashore. It's some kind of submarine that shouldn't happen. It's no submarine. You don't want that thing to flip over. Not made for it. It's supposed to float. I wasn't afraid of the whales, the Orcas. I wouldn't be afraid of *most* of the nastier things that issued up. But those scuthy depths hold *such terrors*!! I'm not kidding at all. Why does Life eat itself? Where did it start? I'll link to that video later, and probably others, but I can't really make up my mind about the dream. Part of me wants to just give up and be eaten by those horrible watery monsters. Here, use this, I might tell them. Hoping that I got ate by one I could bear looking at. The other part, the human part, is hammering on that iron door like mad. Those were whales at first, that part thinks. Whales aren't that bad. I don't want to turn around and look. Please don't even think of turning around, I'm telling myself. Is there anyone in this ark? That platfor is no more than 15 feet above the Sea's surface. I was sleeping right at the lowest part. But I know I started to get scared in the dream, and went up to the door. Like a porthole. This installation is friggin' massive. Fifteen feet aint enough. Those things can leap out. There went an Orca. No, no, it didn't leap. It got ate. I'm not looking back, I won't ever look back. Let me in, please! Those things are terrifying! I shoulda got in that Orca. I just don't want to see that coming for me. I don't want to feel its insides. I want to be inside a series of smaller fish, so I can be long dead before it dissolves all those carcasses down to me. Dragged down to the darkest waters. The deepest, darkest, most dense, crushing waters. No one's in this damn thing! How the hell did I get here? How did I end up on the outside edge of this thing? I know I've never been inside it yet. I wanna tear my eyes out already.

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I am here now.

GOD — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:39:16 GMT

I've been meaning to join Tribe for quite some time. Yes. It's true. Even God likes Tribe.

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Biblical Raunch

Hummingbird — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:55:17 GMT

http://www.cracked.com/article_16546_6-raunchiest-most-depraved-sex-acts-from-bible.html

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Al Qaeda's Nuclear Inventory

B-b — Thu, 07 May 2009 22:24:59 GMT

From Paul L. Williams' book "The Al Qaeda Connection" :

The beginning of the end took place on Sept. 27, 1991, when President George H. W. Bush Announced that the United States would unilaterally withdraw all nuclear weapons from its forces around the world with the proviso that Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev would do likewise. Gorbachev readily agreed. The press and the people of both nations were pleased. The agreement represented a grand display of perestroika -- positive proof that the cold war was over and a new day of mutual trust (if not brotherhood) had dawned. The process of the withdrawal of the nukes was greatly facilitated by the enactment of the Nunn-Lugtar Soviet Threat Reduction Act on December 12, 1991. This act provided Russia with millions in funding to transport its nukes to various sites throughout the fourteen newly created republics of what was once the Soviet Union. This, too, seemed like a sensible measure that would make the world a safer place.

Yet the movement of the twenty-two thousand nuclear weapons occurred when everything in Russia was falling apart. With the closing of the communal plants and industries, more than 30 percent of the workforce became unemployed. Inflation soared over 2,000 percent, fueling crime and corruption. An average of eighty-four murders took place a day, many of which were contract killings. A hit could now be arranged with members of eight Mafia families within Moscow for less than $200. Millions of Russians now stood in lines for hours in order to redeem governement-issued coupons. There was one line for red beets and cabbages; another for eggs and bread; and yet another for vodka and cigarettes. Butcher shops sold blue chickens that had died of malnutrition and pies made from rancid beef and horse meat. The savvy customers soon learned not to purchase the pies that were surrounded by dead flies. In the wink of an eye, the second most powerful nation on earth had become transformed into a third world country.

Undfer the new capitalism, male life expectancy fell to fifty-eight years --- fifteen to seventeen years less than that of males in eastern Europe and the United States. By 1996 the suicide rate had doubled. Along with poverty, inflation, unemployment, and depression, Russians experienced a sharp drop in the birth rate. From 1991 to 2001, the population declined at a rate of 1.2 million a year.

Nowhere was the misery more apparent than within the military, which by 1996 had shrunk to a feeble force of 1.7 million soldiers. Because of chronic food shortages, many soldiers resorted to begging. More than ten Russian soldiers died each day from noncombat causes, including suicide and malnutrition. An estimated 110,000 loacked proper housing and became sheltered in hovels. No one in the military, not even a high-ranking general, was receiving a regular pay check. Russian army and navy officers began to sell almost every item at their disposal. In 1993 there were 6,430 reports of stolen weapons from army arsenals, ranging from assault rifles to tanks.

It is incredible to assume that the twenty-two thousand nuclear weapons were moved from strategic sites to arsenals throughout Russia without a single loss. When President George H. W. Bush announced his plans for a nuclear withdrawal, the then secretary of defense Dick Cheney said that the recovery of 90 percent of the nukes in Russia would represent "excellent performance." Such an "excellent performance" would mean that 220 weapons would have been lost, stolen, or otherwise unaccounted for. But what person in his right mind could expect such an outcome from the poorly housed, malnourished, disillusioned, and unpaid Russian troups of 1991? The temptation for gain would have been too great for an Orthodox saint to suppress when a kilo of chrominum-50 would sell for $25,000, cesium-137 for $1 million, and lithium for $10 million. Prospective buyers included agents from North Korea, Pakistan, Libya, and a well-financed group of Muslim terrorists called al Qaeda.

In the first three years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the black market in nuclear weapons and materials began to boom. Germany reported more than seven hundred attempted nuclear sales. These illegal sales were luckily stopped by the police, but that was not true of every case of smuggling. Other incidents have been more alarming. In January 1992 an Egyptian newspaper reported that Iran bought three Soviet nuclear warheads from Kazakhstan for $150 million. This report was later confirmed by Russian intelligence. In November 1993 two nuclear warheads, sufficient to kill millions in New York and Los Angeles, were stolen by two employees from the Zlatoust-36 Instrument Building Plant, a weapons assembly facility, in Chelyabinsk. Fortunately, the weapons were later recovered in a nearby residential garage, and the two employees were placed under arrest. Later that same month, Russian navy Captian Alexei Tikhomirov broke into a nuclear storage facility at the Sevmorput shipyard near Murmansk and robbed three pieces of a reactor core containing 3.4 kilograms of highly enriched uranium. At the time of Tikhomirov's arrest, the chief Russian prosecutor noted that "potatoes were guarded better" that the nuclear materials at Murmansk.

The Chechen Mafia, the most powerful criminal organization in Russia, now became the most dominant force in the trafficking of nuclear supplies and materials from Russia to rogue nation and terrorist groups. In March 1993 the Chechens seciured an unknown quantity of highly enriched uranium from Kazakhstan. More than six kilograms were transported from Grozny, the capital of Chechnya, to Istanbul, Turkey. Six months later, Interpol officials collared four Turkish businessmen and four agents of Iran's secret service and confiscated 2.5 kilos of the uranium. The remaining kilos had slipped through the proverbial cracks. In September 1993 the Chechen rebels stunned the world by the display of SS-20 missiles during a military parade in Grozny. The missiles, stolen from some Soviet arsenal, possessed a range of 9,500 kilometers and the capability to launch a nuclear warhead.

At the same time, the Chechen rebels began using radioactive isotopes, which had become available at rock-bottom prices, to commit acts of murder. The first victim was Vladimir Kaplun, the owner of a meat packing plant in Moscow. The Chechens planted gamma ray-emitting pellets in Kaplun's office. The businessman was dead within a matter of weeks. At least half a dozen similar cases were reported in the next three weeks.

In November 1994 Dzokhar Dudayev, the leader of the Chechen rebels, petitioned the Uniter Nations to dispatch troops to protect the weapons of mass destruction within the Chechen arsenal. Dudayev's request was taken as an attempt at grandstanding. The UN officials, along with the international press, scoffed at the notion that a group of Muslim dissidents from the backwater Russian province of Chechnya could possess, let alone maintain, nuclear weapons. This forced the Chechens to make a vivid display that would prove to the world that they possessed nuclear capability. On November 23, 1995, Chechen commander Shamil Basayev directed a television crew to a radiological bomb that had been planted in Izmailovsky Park near Moscow. The bomb was made of cesium-137 and, if detonated, would have killed hundreds in a matter of minutes and contaminated thousands more. The incident represented the first case of a dirty nuke to be shown as a weapon of terror.

Shortly after this incident, Dudayev notified the US State Department that he possessed tactical nuclear suitcase bombs. The Chechen leader said that he was willing to sell these weapons to rogue states of terrorist agencies, such as al Qaeda, if the United States failed to recognize Chechnya's independence from Russia. Dudayev's claim was supported by officials from the National Intelligence Council, an unbrella organization for the US analytical community. The officials informed a congressional committee that weapon-grade and weapons-usable nuclear material, including SADMs (small atomic demolition munitions), had been stolen from Soviet stockpiles. "Of these thefts," the officials said, "we assess that undetected smuggling has occurred, although we do not know the extent or the magnitude.

In January 1996 the Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Monterey Institute of Internation Studies received information from a "senior advisor to Boris Yeltsin" that an unspecified number of small nuclear bombs had been manufactured for the KGB and had never appeared on a list of the Soviet nuclear inventory.

In May 1997, during a closed door session with a US congressional delegation, former Russian Security Council secretary Alexander Lebed said that more than eighty-four SADMs had disappeared from Russian arsenals and could be in the hands of Muslim extremists. General Lebed said that he was able to confirm the production of 132 small nukes but could only account for 48. When asked the whereabouts of the missing nukes, Lebed replied: "I have no idea." He went on to say that he had no idea how many small nukes had been produced by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Lebed also said that some of these small nukes, with explosive yield of one kiloton of TNT, had been refined so that they could be carried by one person in a case measuring sity by forty by twenty centimeters (twenty-four by sixteen by eight inches) and represented "ideal weapons for nuclear terror."

General Lebed repeated these charges in an interview with the CBS newsmagazine 60 minutes that was aired on September 7, 1997. In the interview, he added that the SADMs were designed to be used in sabotage operations behind enemy lines and lacked the electronic combination locks that had been built into other Soviet nuclear weapons. The following is a sample of the exchange between CBS correspondent Steve Kroft and General Lebed over the matter of the missing nukes:

Kroft: Are you confidant that all of the weapons aqre secure and acoounted for?

Lebed: Not at all. Not at all.

Kroft: How easy would it be to steal one?

Lebed: It's suitcase-sized.

Kroft: You could put it in a suitcase and carry it off?

Lebed: It is made in the size of a suitcase. It is a suitcase, actually. You could carry it. You could put it in another suitcase if you want to.

Kroft: But it's already a suitcase.

Lebed: Yes.

Kroft: I could walk down the streets of Moscow or Washington or New York, and people would think I'm carrying a suitaces?

Lebed: Yes, indeed.

Kroft: How easy would it be to detonate?

Lebed: It would take twnety, thirty minutes to prepare.

Kroft: But you don't need secret codes from the Kremlin or anything like that?

Lebed: No.

Kroft: You are saying there are a significant number that are missing and unaccounted for?

Lebed: Yes, there is. More than one hundred.

Kroft: Where are they?

Lebed: Somewhere in Georgia, somewhere in Ukraine, somewhere in the Baltic countries. Perhaps some are even outside those countries. One person is capable of triggering this nuclear weapon -- one person.

Kroft: So you are saying these weapons are no longer under the control of the Russian military?

Lebed: I'm saying that more than one hundred weapons are not under the control of the armed forces of Russia. I don't know their location. I don't know whether they have been destroyed or whether they are stored or whether they've been sold or stolen. I don't know.

More to come, if you like. It's a great story that is forming up.

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Parody of New Palin Book

Hummingbird — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:00:16 GMT

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/22/going-rouge-ithe-nationi_n_330682.html

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President Bush's real name: Scherff or could be

roger — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:02:50 GMT

Scherf...
they spell it differently in germany.

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Ignorance:

Hokey — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:28:42 GMT

http://people.tribe.net/46ac7ee4-8b5c-4ed3-bcd8-42eebc45776b

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Excellent Drivel

Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:33:01 GMT

Of a link presented here at tribe:

The Symbol of faith for those who left Satan,
his mortal World and all its individual faiths and
joined YEHOWAH in HIS World Fraternal Faith or the
Religion of HIS immortal people in order to become immortal
There are two ManGods in our Solar System: YEHOWAH and Satan. Consequently all people are divided into Yehowists and satanists. While YEHOWAH is GOD of the immortal, Satan is God of the mortal or God of this World1).

YEHOWAH2) HIMSELF was Crucified under the NAME of Jew YESHUA of Nazareth or in Greek JESUS CHRIST.

After 6000 years from the day Adam and Eve were expelled from the Paradise YEHOWAH will defeat Satan, bind him and put him in a bottomless pit (in A…ia)3). Then HE will bring Peace, Freedom4) and Prosperity and One Faith under the World rule of Jerusalem Republic or Israeli One for 1000 years.

After 1000 years of Peace and One Faith Satan will break out from the pit for 111 years and start developing again various true religions showing indulgence to sins and evildoings and herding souls to a chimerical paradise through cannons and guns.

YEHOWAH will eliminate Satan and satanists and make the new Earth millions times as big without oceans and seas and will settle on it with HIS Yehowists for 280000 years afterwards.

Then HE will improve the new Earth. HE will be improving Earth from time to time to perfection beyond comprehension, and HE will live on it with the Immortal people eternally.

The city of Jerusalem will come to the new Earth from Heaven, made by sky people, that is, people living on other planets, decorated with gems of twelve grades, streets paved with transparent gold: 2000 km long, wide and high, enclosed by a tremendous wall of jasper, 12 gates will be 12 pearls with the names of the 12 Israeli tribes5) and the names of LAMB’S6) 12 Apostles on the wings. YEHOWAH’S Palace will be located at the heart of the city. There will not be any Temple and sacrifices.

There will be a river proceeding from under the Palace along all streets; wonderful trees will grow on its banks yielding fruit monthly.

Eating this fruit will prevent people from aging and dying keeping them immortal infinitely: men at the age of 347) and women - 16.

There will be 24 Kingdoms made up of the righteous nations8) outside Jerusalem city. Though outside inhabitants will be immortal as well but they will suffer from diseases occasionally, and they will have to ask the city dwellers for leaves from the trees of life. B. H. chapters 21 and 22.

That is the city of Jerusalem YEHOWAH invites every person9) for eternal life. Thus, the goal of every person is to leave Satan, the entire mortal World, all its individual and hostile religions and join YEHOWAH in HIS Universal World Fraternal Religion or Israeli Religion of the New Covenant or Religion of HIS Immortal people!

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1 2Cor. 4-4; Luke 4-5…7; B.H. 13-8; 2-13; 1Chr. 21(22)-1.
2 The FIRST and the LAST. B. H. 1-17, 18; Is. 41-4; 44-6; 48-12; B.H. 11-8; 22-6, 16; Zech. 12-9…14; They will see (ME ), whom they PIERCED.
3 B.H. 20-2, 3.
4 There will not be any borders.
5 Dan replaced with Manasseh.
6 CRUCIFIED YEHOWAH.
7 YEHOWAH ascended to Heaven at the same age. Eph. 4-13.
8 See chapter IV.
9 All those who are descended from Adam and not only the Jews as Satan teaches them for their inhumanity.

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Global Orgasm Day

Hummingbird — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:50:41 GMT

Okay so it's over three months away, but practice makes perfect:

December 21st, 2009

Welcome to the 4th Annual Global Orgasm for Peace!

Mark Your Calendars

This year's Solstice is on December 21, 2009 at 17:47 UTC, and we thought, since it falls on a Monday for much of the world, we would give everyone a 24-hour period around that time. That would be 5:47 am on the 21st to 5:47 am on the 22nd UTC.

http://www.globalorgasm.org/

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Notes for a moral indictment of Loki

Josh — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:51:00 GMT

That thread is 122 posts long.

I'd like a short exectutive summary as to what this nonsense is all about.

20 words or less, and I want it on my desk by the end of the day.

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On The Nature Of Being A Christian:

B-b — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:18:56 GMT

Now, Jesus was convinced to take on the sins of other people, and he provided effect for this. There are many reasons why.

But by the knowledge provided us by way of the Qabalah today, a version of which was most likely available during his period or before (Sepher Yetzirah), we can see that in effect this means both working with, submitting to, and accepting the supposed 'energies' of the Qliphoth.

This does not function in the same manner today. In fact, this is merely the closest one may come in comprehending what Jesus did.

But all the same, because of the limited viewpoint of the time, something like this occurred.

As an aside, I might say in reference to sin something like 'crime doesn't pay', and I'll explain why:

What he started was stamped out. It was a manner of belief that was accomplishing something, but apparently it could not last long.

Now, do modern day Christians take on other's sins?

No, definitively, they do not. In large part that I have seen, this tradition has become accusatory, based on an idea that Jesus is still taking on sin, that indeed these Christians of late are as sinless as they suppose Jesus was, but in truth, they rely on others' sins and humiliating these people (as best they can) in order to take power and rule some portion of earth's societies.

Think about it.

So in effect, these Christians are asking those people outside their fold to do what they cannot, what they will not, and this occurs for various complex reasons.

But again, this cannot continue. It in truth was backsliding from the first, asking for not spiritual results, but bodily (healing, physical immortality.) Step out of the way of those you consider non-religious, modern day Christians, and let them save this world for you.

You apparently are not willing to do shit.

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Conceptual Containment And Kant

Jason Leary — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:25:43 GMT

Conceptual containment
The philosopher Immanuel Kant was the first to use the terms "analytic" and "synthetic" to divide propositions into types. Kant introduces the analytic/synthetic distinction in the Introduction to the Critique of Pure Reason (1781/1998, A6-7/B10-11). There, he restricts his attention to affirmative subject-predicate judgments, and defines "analytic proposition" and "synthetic proposition" as follows:

analytic proposition: a proposition whose predicate concept is contained in its subject concept
synthetic proposition: a proposition whose predicate concept is not contained in its subject concept
Examples of analytic propositions, on Kant's definition, include:

"All bachelors are unmarried."
"All triangles have three sides."
Kant's own example is:

"All bodies are extended," i.e. take up space. (A7/B11)
Each of these is an affirmative subject-predicate judgment, and in each, the predicate concept is contained with the subject concept. The concept "bachelor" contains the concepts "unmarried"; the concept "unmarried" is part of the definition of the concept "bachelor." Likewise for "triangle" and "has three sides," and so on.

Examples of synthetic propositions, on Kant's definition, include:

"All bachelors are happy."
"All creatures with hearts have kidneys."
Kant's own example is:

"All bodies are heavy," i.e. have mass. (A7/B11)
As with the examples of analytic propositions, each of these is an affirmative subject-predicate judgment. However, in none of these cases does the subject concept contain the predicate concept. The concept "bachelor" does not contain the concept "happy"; "happy" is not a part of the definition of "bachelor." The same is true for "creatures with hearts" and "have kidneys" - even if every creature with a heart also has kidneys

FROM WIKIPEDIA

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A real photo of Dan

Josh — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:14:32 GMT

Dan, aka, Robert Turkel.

Kinda fat and pudgy and bearded. Not the skinny clean shaven character with ten kids as seen in the "Dan" profile photos.

Wonder from whom Robert Turkel stole his Dan identity?

Dan, excuse me, I mean Robert. Do you, Robert Turrkel, own the copyright to those pictures of the family, the wife and pictures of "Dan" that you are still using and have used in the past?

If not, you may be looking at some civil and criminal liability that exceeds your net worth. LOL!

Who did you steal those photos from? LOL!

http://the-anointed-one.com/hold.htm

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Tribe MILF photos

Josh — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:43:24 GMT

MILF or not?

http://people.tribe.net/88c99d25-7b8c-4447-a0c5-cffd31a4b9a2/photos/2d60a0d3-7326-470f-8184-eb79291ba51c

Not.

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Buttsex for Jesus

Pinky — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:47:12 GMT

I just couldn't help myself.

http://www.sexinchrist.com/index.html

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Sheep Mentality

Pinky — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:38:27 GMT

Very old Candid Camera clip, but an excellent example of why The Majority is such a strong influence, even when completely nonsensical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTOwE3hnEWk

...and people wonder why over 2/3 of the world belong to some dogmatic religion...it take a strong, confident, lateral thinker to make progress beyond "the way we've always done things." And unfortunately, they're rare.

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The Bait and Switch of Contemporary Christianity

Pinky — Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:07:58 GMT

http://experimentaltheology.blogspot.com/2009/08/bait-and-switch-of-contemporary.html

To start, a story.

A few years ago a female student wanted to visit with me about some difficulties she was having, mainly with her family life. As is my practice, we walked around campus as we talked.

After talking for some time about her family situation we turned to other areas of her life. When she reached spiritual matters we had the following exchange:

"I need to spend more time working on my relationship with God."
I responded, "Why would you want to do that?"
Startled she says, "What do you mean?"
"Well, why would you want to spend any time at all on working on your relationship with God?"
"Isn't that what I'm supposed to do?"
"Let me answer by asking you a question. Can you think of anyone, right now, to whom you need to apologize? Anyone you've wronged?"
She thinks and answers, "Yes."
"Well, why don't you give them a call today and ask for their forgiveness. That might be a better use of your time than working on your relationship with God."

Obviously, I was being a bit provocative with the student. And I did go on to clarify. But I was trying to push back on a strain of Christianity I see in both my students and the larger Christian culture. Specifically, when the student said "I need to work on my relationship with God" I knew exactly what she meant. It meant praying more, getting up early to study the bible, to start going back to church. Things along those lines. The goal of these activities is to get "closer" to God. To "waste time with Jesus." Of course, please hear me on this point, nothing is wrong with those activities. Personal acts of piety and devotion are vital to a vibrant spiritual life and continued spiritual formation. But all too often "working on my relationship with God" has almost nothing to do with trying to become a more decent human being.

The trouble with contemporary Christianity is that a massive bait and switch is going on. "Christianity" has essentially become a mechanism for allowing millions of people to replace being a decent human being with something else, an endorsed "spiritual" substitute. For example, rather than being a decent human being the following is a list of some commonly acceptable substitutes:

Going to church
Worship
Praying
Spiritual disciplines (e.g., fasting)
Bible study
Voting Republican
Going on spiritual retreats
Reading religious books
Arguing with evolutionists
Sending your child to a Christian school or providing education at home
Using religious language
Avoiding R-rated movies
Not reading Harry Potter.

The point is that one can fill a life full of spiritual activities without ever, actually, trying to become a more decent human being. Much of this activity can actually distract one from becoming a more decent human being. In fact, some of these activities make you worse, interpersonally speaking. Many churches are jerk factories.

Take, for example, how Christians tip and behave in restaurants. If you have ever worked in the restaurant industry you know the reputation of the Sunday morning lunch crowd. Millions of Christians go to lunch after church on Sundays and their behavior is abysmal. The single most damaging phenomenon to the witness of Christianity in America today is the collective behavior of the Sunday morning lunch crowd. Never has a more well-dressed, entitled, dismissive, haughty or cheap collection of Christians been seen on the face of the earth.

I exaggerate of course. But I hope you see my point. Rather than pouring our efforts into two hours of worship, bible study and Christian fellowship on Sunday why don't we just take a moment and a few extra bucks to act like a decent human being when we go to lunch afterwards? Just think about it. What if the entire restaurant industry actually began to look forward to working Sunday lunch? If they said amongst themselves, "I love the church crowd. They are kind, patient and very generous. It's my favorite part of the week waiting on Christians." How might such a change affect the way the world sees us? Think about it. Just being a decent human being for one hour each Sunday and the world sees us in a whole new way.

But it's not going to happen. Because behavior at lunch isn't considered to be "working on your relationship with God." Behavior at lunch isn't spiritual. Going to church, well, that is working on your relationship with God. But, as we all know, any jerk can sit in a pew. But you can't be a jerk if you take the time to treat your waitress as if she were a friend, daughter or mother.

My point in all this is that contemporary Christianity has lost its way. Christians don't wake up every morning thinking about how to become a more decent human being. Instead, they wake up trying to "work on their relationship with God" which very often has nothing to do with treating people better. How could such a confusion have occurred? How did we end up going so wrong? I'm sure there are lots of answers, but at the end of the day we need to face up to our collective failure. I'm not saying we need to do anything dramatic. A baby step would do to start. Waking up trying to be a little more kind, more generous, more interruptible, more forgiving, more humble, more civil, more tolerant. Do these things and prayer and worship will come alongside to support us.

I truly want people to spend time working on their relationship with God. I just want them to do it by taking the time to care about the person standing right in front of them.

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Porn Consumption Higer In Red States

Dr.Diarrhea — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:00:19 GMT

www.newscientist.com/article...ers.html

Americans may paint themselves in increasingly bright shades of red and blue, but new research finds one thing that varies little across the nation: the liking for online pornography.

A new nationwide study (pdf) of anonymised credit-card receipts from a major online adult entertainment provider finds little variation in consumption between states.

"When it comes to adult entertainment, it seems people are more the same than different," says Benjamin Edelman at Harvard Business School.

However, there are some trends to be seen in the data. Those states that do consume the most porn tend to be more conservative and religious than states with lower levels of consumption, the study finds.

"Some of the people who are most outraged turn out to be consumers of the very things they claimed to be outraged by," Edelman says.

Political divide
Edelman spends part of his time helping companies such as Microsoft and AOL detect advertising fraud. Another consulting client runs dozens of adult websites, though he says he is not at liberty to identify the firm.

That company did, however, provide Edelman with roughly two years of credit card data from 2006 to 2008 that included a purchase date and each customer's postal code.

After controlling for differences in broadband internet access between states – online porn tends to be a bandwidth hog – and adjusting for population, he found a relatively small difference between states with the most adult purchases and those with the fewest.

The biggest consumer, Utah, averaged 5.47 adult content subscriptions per 1000 home broadband users; Montana bought the least with 1.92 per 1000. "The differences here are not so stark," Edelman says.

Number 10 on the list was West Virginia at 2.94 subscriptions per 1000, while number 41, Michigan, averaged 2.32.

Eight of the top 10 pornography consuming states gave their electoral votes to John McCain in last year's presidential election – Florida and Hawaii were the exceptions. While six out of the lowest 10 favoured Barack Obama.

Old-fashioned values
Church-goers bought less online porn on Sundays – a 1% increase in a postal code's religious attendance was associated with a 0.1% drop in subscriptions that day. However, expenditures on other days of the week brought them in line with the rest of the country, Edelman finds.

Residents of 27 states that passed laws banning gay marriages boasted 11% more porn subscribers than states that don't explicitly restrict gay marriage.

To get a better handle on other associations between social attitudes and pornography consumption, Edelman melded his data with a previous study on public attitudes toward religion.

States where a majority of residents agreed with the statement "I have old-fashioned values about family and marriage," bought 3.6 more subscriptions per thousand people than states where a majority disagreed. A similar difference emerged for the statement "AIDS might be God's punishment for immoral sexual behaviour."

"One natural hypothesis is something like repression: if you're told you can't have this, then you want it more," Edelman says.

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Proposed Sexual Bill of Rights

Hummingbird — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:55:55 GMT

http://www.petitiononline.com/SexBoR/petition.html

Being conceived through an act of sexual expression and naturally born as sensual beings, we who inhabit this planet called Earth find immutable and unassailable:

1. the right to pursue sexual relations according to one’s own interests and beliefs without institutional or government interference;
2. the right to have sexual intercourse with the partner(s) of one’s choosing without regard to gender or race;
3. the right to enjoy sexual stimulation utilizing media, products, devices and lotions specifically made, marketed and sold for that purpose;
4. the right to teach and to learn without fear whatever sexual techniques and methods one might desire;
5. the right to express and enjoy oneself through nudity;
6. the right to employ the time and talents of others to facilitate visual, physical and emotional pleasure;
7. the right to create a family of our own definition, not one imposed by religious concerns, receiving the full benefits and consideration as a family unit;
8. the right to determine for oneself that morality by which appropriate sexual behavior is defined;
9. the right to explore and enjoy the full range of safe sexual conduct with oneself and others without social prejudice or legal prohibition;
10. the right to be safe in all sexual relations without fear of physical or emotional harm, disease, and undesired exploitation.

We, therefore, appealing to the conscience of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, solemnly publish and declare that as Free and Independent Peoples, they have full Power to do all other Acts and Things which Independent Peoples may of right do.

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Dan's lies about his identity

Josh — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:57:36 GMT

Dan claims he played football. Let's see a picture.

Dan claims he has ten kids and a wife but he has no new pictures and hasn't updated the few pictures he has.

Let's see some new pictures, an update.

He can't. Because he stole the pictures from a website. Because he is a fake.

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Serial Posters And Jason Alts

Adam — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:00:35 GMT

I have been around for a minute and I see these pathetic wretches vollying for some sort of attention. Are their lives really that goddamned miserable that they must resort to posting meaningless drivel to themselves? I challange these mentally derranged psychotics to TRY to maintain a debate in a thread. I have a feeling you are adolescents fooling around where your parents do not normally allow you to go. Either run along to your Disney site, or tell me where you stand on health care......

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Sexual come ons

Josh — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:32:24 GMT

This guy: http://people.tribe.net/215f05fb-8432-4a1b-9996-1a36a2c4a67b/photos/c73412b2-bd2c-455b-a648-30529017192e

sells crystals and bead jewelry to new agers and other stupid hippies who wander into his backwoods part of Arkansas.

over the past few days, he has made a dozen posts suggesting that I am gay and sexually attracted to him. Some of them are quite lewd.

I'm not gay or sexually attracted to him. Should I be?

You decide. Let's put it to a debate. A heated debate. With hot, sexy, heated man on man action!

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Conclusive evidence of the need for abortion on demand

Josh — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:42:25 GMT

http://people.tribe.net/88c99d25-7b8c-4447-a0c5-cffd31a4b9a2/photos/ff88e06e-fe44-49e6-b766-cdf6f7d6439d

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A Voice of Decency : Ms. King presents a cogent and wise critique of the filth of the sex positive phenomenon , notably its expression in a popular t.v. phenomenon (Read it and weep Enrika and Loki)

Jason Leary — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:30:55 GMT

Sluts in the City
by Jennifer King, Managing Editor

March 18, 2004

"The Heretical Housewife"

Jennifer looks back on the run of HBO's "Sex in the City" and comes to the conclusion that its departure could have happened none too soon. WARNING: Contains mature themes. May offend some and is not suitable for all readers.

I did not have to view even one episode of HBO’s vaunted series, “Sex in the City” in order to understand what the concept was about. “Sex in the City” revolved around somewhat dimwitted career women let loose in the big city - free to indulge their baser animal instincts with a series of interchangeable men.

The scripts read as though they were written by immature testosterone laden sixteen-year-olds . The crass and juvenile titles serve as an example:

"Bay of Married Pigs"
"Old Dogs, New Dicks"
"The F***ing Buddy"
"Politically Erect"
"Belles of the Balls"
"Just Say Yes"
"Great Sexpectations", just to name a few.

And a special recap of Season One, Episode Four where “Charlotte’s current boyfriend wants to have anal sex with her, and she doesn’t know what to do. After conferring with her friends she decides against it because she doesn’t want to be known as the 'up the butt' girl."

It is truly amazing that so called adults would bother wasting their time watching this puerile crap, but then again, even Maureen Dowd has fans.

“Sex in the City” provides more proof if any is needed - that feminism is truly dead. Today’s enlightened career women - as portrayed by HBO - dress like whores and act like sluts. They apparently see nothing moral abhorrent about affairs with married men - “Bay of Married Pigs” - or endlessly meaningless strings of one night stands.

Feminism has “come a long way, baby” indeed. Equal pay for equal work and the right of women to pursue a career has devolved rapidly. In the 1970’s, women’s magazines crowed about the coming obsolescence of men. By the turn of the century, women’s magazines were breathlessly explaining how to perform gratifying sex acts on them. One doesn’t have to read too far to find articles explaining how 12 and 13 year old middle school girls, desperate for the attention of boys, are performing fellatio on them - sometimes in the company of their friends. Where will such a girl be, when she is 21?

Perhaps she’ll be on a college campus, where she can join in the burgeoning campus “sex-positive” movement. As chronicled by Jean Pearce in The Washington Times, the “sex positive” movement “promotes deviant sex as normal and healthy”. Pearce details how “sex festivals”, “on-campus sex workshops” and women’s studies departments have joined to “promote promiscuity and glorify prostitution and pornography under the guise of sex education.”

This feminist led movement seeks to embrace “all bacchanalia as positive, no matter how promiscuous or personally degrading”. “Prostitutes, porn stars, sex shop owners, transvestites and lesbian cross dressers called drag queens” are paid to come onto campus in order to give lectures and host workshops. Pearce describes how porn star and self-described former prostitute Annie Sprinkle hosts workshops for students which include having sex on stage. San Francisco sex shop owner, sex worker and sex party hostess Carol Queen brings her sex toys on campus, where they are used to teach students important academic subjects like anal sex, S&M and bondage. Meet the new feminism - prostitution as empowerment.

In previous days, feminine chastity, modesty and reticence were applauded. In the real world they still are. Few female executives would get by wearing slutty clothing and coming onto their male co-workers. They would be viewed as an unprofessional liability. Few women who indulged in a daily diet of rotating men would feel good - much less empowered - by it. Instead of glamorous dates and romance, they end up with unwanted pregnancies, scars from abortions and a variety of STDs. Women used to be wooed by men, now they are expected to perform for them and perform like a porn star to boot.

One clueless man, writing in the New York Times, admits that he has been letting his daughter watch “Sex in the City” since she was nine. Wonderful. Instead of Pooh Bear and Disney Princesses, his little third/fourth grader has been treated to a constant diet of immoral women having coarse sex with anonymous men. And she’s growing up thinking that this is how mature, sophisticated women act.

Given this diet of depravity, she’ll be a natural for the “sex positive” movement once she gets to college. ***

© 2004 Jennifer King

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APPARENT GOOD NEWS , FOR A CHANGE !

Jason Leary — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:32:33 GMT

Yours truly does NOT (with few exceptions such as science and art documentaries , old westerns , and an occasional space flick , and weather reports and so on) like to watch televison .

However, a relative of mine , whom I presently live with , tends to keep her television set on , often with news droning in the backround . Generally news is "glorified" gossip and other trash , but once in a very very rare while they allow on occasional gem to drift in amidst the "dung" (The occasional gems don't exonerate the dung, mind you).Well it so happened that today I was walking around the house , intermitently attending to my dog , when I overheard on the news pouring forth from a relative's t.v. set a news report mentioning an apparent actual event of a baby in Australia that fell in front of an oncoming train and survived miraculously with barely a scratch !

If memory serves rightly I had heard it also mentioned on the news, yesterday or maybe the day before ...and now heard it again ... Granted it would been still more of a greater state of affairs if no baby ever fell in front of trains and there was never a risk of such ....Nonetheless , it is good news to hear that the baby ..the infant survived without any apparent injury of any daunting sort ....

Good to hear about that, instead of murders and other such sordid content .....

Infants are amazing . Their facial expressions with eyes , that search around with awe seeing the Earth and its sights anew, is amazing . Their faces seem often --when they are not troubled by irritants, to express something like unto a sehnsucht ...

No wonder it is that the madonna (not referring to the singer) and infant was such a largely used motif for artists from the days when Hagia Sophia was built through the Renaissance ......

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SPESSARTINE CRYSTAL

Jason Leary — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:42:06 GMT

There are so many beautiful , majestic and awe-inspiring phenomenon and things to see , experience, and reflect upon in the vast plenum of Existence (if one looks in the right places)...it is indeed sad that people fritter away time on mundane, crass pursuits like liberated sex ...and anything earthy (i.e. crass) for that matter (liberated sex being but one manifestation of earthiness) be such earth /crass content be jokes about farting, amusement with human excrement , car chases , limosines or any other earthy trash .

Case in point click on the following hyperlinks and one can see beautiful, intricate crystals of the mineral spessartine something to fill the mind with awe (provided the hyperlinks take and lets hope that do)
: http://www.palagems.com/Images/pakistan/spessartine.jpg

http://www.ucminerals.com/store/images/pictures/905083_3.jpg

http://earthphysicsteaching.homestead.com/files/spessartine_2.jpg

AND http://images.google.com/images?as_q=&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=spessartine&as_oq=&as_eq=&imgtype=&imgsz=&imgw=&imgh=&imgar=&as_filetype=&imgc=&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images&as_st=y

Spessartine is apparently often mined in Montana at a place called Eldorado .

Let us ask Pinky and /or Enrika to weigh in on the topic . Will you you ---either one of you fess up to the realization that looking at something beautiful like spessartine crystals is more worthwhile than liberated sex ?

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No Atheists in Foxholes?

Dr.Diarrhea — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:40:19 GMT

http://www.flickr.com/photos/neokenshin_x/3967498532/

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Logical Absolutes

Pinky — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:32:39 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8dePAhDMh4

Highly interesting video I would LOVE to hear Jason's take on.

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Some Political Humor

Hummingbird — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:29:56 GMT

Q. What's the difference between Rush Limbaugh and the Hindenburg?

A. One is a flaming Nazi gas bag. The other is a dirigible.

Q. What's the difference between an investment banker and a Mafia capo?

A. The Mafia capo is a man of honor.

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If I had A Cheeto

StJman — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 04:14:05 GMT

I'd complete this with a song about cheetos based on Janice Joplin, but i hate hippy music.

just imagine the song that would be. or write it yourself.

CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!

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If Atheism Is A Religion...

Dr.Diarrhea — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:47:41 GMT

...then NOT collecting stamps is a hobby

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A Dirty Little Secret

Pinky — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:55:33 GMT

http://devmedio.com/soulless/2009/10/a-dirty-little-secret/

A Dirty Little Secret

You want to know a dirty little secret? The “Fuck It Principle,” aside from being a good way to live my life, also serves as a sort of social engineering project. See, the sorts of people who are likely to adopt FIP as a life philosophy are smart, reasoning individuals. If I offer them one good idea, they’re likely to look upon my other ideas with an open mind.

So here’s an idea for you. Laws that protect us from ourselves are evil. Not only are they evil, they stunt the growth of individuals, society, and the entire planet.

Let’s take gambling, for instance. Gambling is illegal in most states… but why? The arguments tend to run along the lines of “it causes an increase in crime,” “people lose everything,” and “it’s just bad.” Okay, fair enough. So we’re willing to punish a vast, law-abiding majority for the irreponsibility of the very few? Are we naive enough to think that those who are inclined to crime, who have a compulsive personality, are likely to subvert those urges because we’ve made a vice illegal?

If you believe that, I have an ancient Egyptian Xbox for you to buy.

When we boil the bullshit away to get to the truth, we get “it’s just bad.” And that, folks, is the truth of the matter. People think that gambling is bad… so instead of abstaining themselves and telling people so, they restrict the rest of us too. Is it spite? Anger? Misguided do-goodness? All of them, I’d say.

This doesn’t just apply to gambling, though. Let’s look at marijuana. Same arguments as above apply, but we get a few more that happen to be hilarious when the big picture is considered. We’ve added to the list “it’s unhealthy for people,” it is addictive,” and “people might do drugs and drive and kill someone!”

Right. Okay. Sure, inhaling smoke into your lungs is bad… but if you’re making that argument (weak as it is) why not make it for tobacco? As for addictive… the only addictive properties marijuana has are psychological… tobacco, on the other hand, has a physiological component. Again, be consistent. Make the argument for both, if any. As for drugging and driving… don’t we have laws that cover that for alcohol? Would it not be child’s play to add to the law to cover additional substances?

Again… it is about forcing others to do what you yourself don’t care to do.

Restrictions on gay marriage? Polygamy? Prostitution? Other drugs? All about force, all about control. All about someone else trying to shoehorn their personal choices into other people’s morality. As a FIP devotee, I detest it. Should I… that is, me, the individual, the one making the choices for me… not want to make those choices for myself, I won’t. As a thinking, reasoning human being, I can make those choices for myself.

As someone who believes in people living up to their own potential, I’d be a hypocrite if I didn’t let you do the same.

The Wiccan rede, applied in Chad’s Own Fashion, tweaked for atheistic, hedonistic glory.

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Calvin Trillin's Thoughts About Roman Polanski

Hummingbird — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:31:22 GMT

A youthful error? Yes, perhaps.
But he's been punished for this lapse--
For decades exiled from LA
He knows, as he wakes up each day,
He'll miss the movers and the shakers.
He'll never get to see the Lakers.
For just one old and small mischance,
He has to live in Paris, France.
He's suffered slurs and other stuff.
Has he not suffered quite enough?
How can these people get so riled?
He only raped a single child.

Why make him into some Darth Vader
For sodomizing one eighth grader?
This man is brilliant, that's for sure--
Authentically, a film auteur.
He gets awards that are his due.
He knows important people, too--
Important people just like us.
And we know how to make a fuss.
Celebrities would just be fools
To play by little people's rules.
So Roman's banner we unfurl.
He only raped one little girl.

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Medal For Good Citizenship Ought To Be Given

Jason Leary — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:37:23 GMT

The proposal is simple .

That a medal for good citizenship be given to praise all monogamous gay youth who systematically denounce the lifestyle of the spoiled , decadent sex positive trollops and gigolos (like the bondage and kink hipsters in Loki's crowd) .

I applaud the monogamous gay youth who would do that , and earnestly welcome and embrace them as allies in the ideological war against soulless , pop trendy kitsch !

May such monogamous gay youth out there --wherever across America or the Globe they may be ---who righly SPEAK OUT AGAINST the sexy kink /sex positive movement with its sex toys , its bondage , its rape fantasies of faux rape which is an offense to women who have been raped----be applauded and praised .

Gay youth of that sort are to be applauded and celebrated . They help in building a brighter, more beautiful tommorrow for our children !

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Littering is Wrong ..Immoral. High Time That Littering Stop

Jason Leary — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:40:55 GMT

Since there has become something of a misconception, from some party or parties on tribe, that those of us who are absolutists in regard to ethical and esthetic matters are only *against* liberated sex and not against any other societal errors , it is good to post the present post .

Littering is wrong and should be totally denounced as such.

It shows a profligate sense of disregard for resources . Littering shows a wanton disregard for the disordering of the visual and other characterisitics of a community and/or an ecosystem ...in as much as involves a presentation of objects in a context without any deliberation as to how well they fit there ...as to whether they are in keeping with the structural contiguity of a landscape ..Littering accepts the superfluous .

AND LITTERING CAN WANTONLY KILL BEAUTIFUL BIRDS AND THAT IS TOTALLY WRONG "not wrong to me" (nor any sellout postmod talk) but WRONG PERIOD .

About 2 or 3 weeks or so ago, yours truly saw a beautful bird :a water turkey: also known as Anhinga that was a frequent visitor to the pond near the house I now live in ...killed by someone taking the lazy approach of throwing out some sheet or blanket of some fabric (or textile type materia)l that got caught in the water turkey's beak or claws it was hard to tell which the way it was flapping about . It got caught and the animal could not get it looose and it flapped about unable to make the alignment of its wings and frame sufficent enough to either fly or swim ...I lacked the resources to help it properly and before I could gain enough of a handle on the most advantageous approach to the situation the animal after stumbling about fell into the pond and drowned as a result of its hampered movement and falling into water deep enough to drown it .

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How Much Do You REALLY Know?

Adam — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 00:02:08 GMT

Jason
<<<RESPONSE: Cruel to minorities?. Sir, I am looking forward to when dark skinned people become the majority . I'm on the side of the minorities . I voted for Jesse Jackson to be the nominee on the Democratic ticket back in 1988(though I didn't like the associations with that anti-semite Louis Farakkan) ..

People in subcultures who enjoy decadent fantasies of rape and sadomasochistic bondage don't have a cause for something . And I truly don't think they make good allies for the gay community . What have the heterosexual bondage whips and chains subculture done to help the plight of gay people ? >>>

There wouldnt be any PLIGHT if it were not for religious people who say the sex that gay people have is wrong. It is the ideologies you hold that began the PLIGHT. It is people like you who cause young gay people to blow their brains out. Have you ever witnessed that Jason? Would you like a link to it? I try to understand where you come from, but I can not refrain from certain truths just because they paint an ugly picture. I dont know if you have ever considered what the guilt you impose does to some people. I dont know if you have ever taken the time to stop and consider the degrees of hurt, pain and anguish you can bestow on others by purporting judgemental ideologies. Yes, you are in fact very cruel to the gay minority. What you do is no different than the terrorist who tells the 16yr old kid he'll be a martyr according to what Allah says or wishes then straps a bomb to their back. That 16yr old boy who blows his brains out because he is gay and there's nothing he can do about it in a christian based culture that says the sex he is confined to is WRONG, that guilt you and others like you impose is no different than that bomb. And just as in "The Tell Tale Heart", you cant wash that blood off...

This has nothing to do with S&M, rape, depiction of rape or any other deviant act. This is about sex between two people who love one another, but is not for the purpose of making babies. For the sake of argument let us make it one female strapping on a rubber 7 inch phallus and making love to her female partners vagina. Or two guys kissing while masturbating themselves. I want to know, what authority says this is wrong? How do you know it is RIGHT to point to these people and confer guilt?

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Coalition for Positive Sexuality

Hummingbird — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:33:29 GMT

http://www.positive.org/JustSayYes/prosex.html

"Just Say Yes is about having a positive attitude towards sexuality -- gay, straight,bisexual or whatever. It's about saying "yes" to sex you do want, and "no" to sex you don't. It says there's nothing wrong with you if you decide to have sex, and nothing wrong with you if you decide not to.

Women have sex with women, men have sex with men, women have sex with men -- and sometimes the best sex is with yourself!

There are lots of safe and fun ways to get off, which you probably won't learn in school. You can do many of these things all by yourself as well as with others, and you can talk about them even if you don't want to do them. Don't feel like you have to do everything on this page, but don't feel like anything is automatically off limits either. The important thing is that everyone involved clearly says what they want and can make it stop when they want."

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The Second to Last Supper

Hummingbird — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:43:46 GMT

http://jimbyrd.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/last-supper.jpg

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Could it be?

Pinky — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:25:37 GMT

Did the new Jason scare the old Jason away?

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Dinosaurs Coexisted with Man - The Evidence

Dan — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:09:39 GMT

This article offers numerous evidences of dinosaur man coexistence refuting the evolutionist claim that Dinosaurs existed “millions and millions of years before man and higher mammals. My opponents will of course reject this evidence out of hand as “unscientific”, “myths”, “from a biased source” etc. . They are not interested in the truth, and probably unable to discern it if they see it. Yet an honest reader will be surprised that such overwhelming evidence exists and wonder why this information has been withheld from them by public education, media, textbooks, teachers and professors. The bible teaches that man and dinosaurs were created on day 6, along with all other land dwelling mammals. It also describes a great flood which swept over the world and the world that then was, perished. The fossils we now see in the rocks are largely deposits from this flood, not depositions over millions of years, but rather over a single year.
The full article with pictures can be found here: http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/15
An article in the January 1993 National Geographic boldly proclaimed: “No human being has ever seen a live dinosaur” (“Age of the Dinosaurs,” 1993, 183[1]:142). The evidence, however, reveals an entirely different story. Consider the following:
The Doheny Expedition
In the late 1800s, Samuel Hubbard, honorary curator of archaeology at the Oakland, California, Museum of Natural History, was excavating ancient Indian dwellings in the Hava Supai Canyon in Arizona. On the walls of the canyon where the Indians’ ancestors once lived, Dr. Hubbard found elegant drawings of an elephant, an ibex, a dinosaur, and other animals. He stated concerning the dinosaur drawing: “Taken all in all, the proportions are good.” He further suggested that the huge reptile is “depicted in the attitude in which man would be most likely to see it—reared on its hind legs, balancing with the long tail, either feeding or in fighting position, possibly defending itself against a party of men” (as quoted in Verrill, 1954, pp. 155ff.). Dr. Hubbard also noted:
The fact that some prehistoric man made a pictograph of a dinosaur on the walls of this canyon upsets completely all of our theories regarding the antiquity of man.... The fact that the animal is upright and balanced on its tail would seem to indicate that the prehistoric artist must have seen it alive (1925, pp. 5,7, emp. in orig.).
Nearby, Dr. Hubbard and his team of archaeologists discovered dinosaur tracks preserved in strata identified as Triassic—alleged by evolutionists to be more than 165 million years old. Question: How could Indians have known how to draw such a perfect picture of an animal (the dinosaur) that they never had seen (or had described to them by someone who had seen it)?
According to the belief commonly held by evolutionists, no advanced mammals were present during the “age of the dinosaurs.” Artists’ reconstructions generally show the huge reptiles living in swamps, surrounded only by other species of dinosaurs. The late evolutionary paleontologist George Gaylord Simpson suggested that the only mammals that had evolved up to that point in time (even at the very end of the Cretaceous period) were supposedly “small, mostly about mouse-sized, and rare” (Simpson, et al., 1957, p. 797). In his book, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History, Stephen J. Gould addressed the same issue when he wrote:
Mammals evolved at the end of the Triassic, at the same time as dinosaurs, or just a tad later. Mammals spent their first hundred million years—two-thirds of their total history—as small creatures living in the nooks and crannies of a dinosaur’s world. Their sixty million years of success following the demise of the dinosaurs has been something of an afterthought (1989, p. 318).
It thus is completely unthinkable, in evolutionary terms, that dinosaurs and advanced mammals (like elephants or giraffes) could have co-existed. Again, however, Dr. Hubbard’s discoveries have “thrown a monkey wrench” into the evolutionary timescale.
However, a discovery reported in the January 13, 2005, issue of Nature challenged everything evolutionists have ever maintained regarding dinosaurs and mammals. The Associated Press reported: “Villagers digging in China’s rich fossil beds have uncovered the preserved remains of a tiny dinosaur in the belly of a mammal, a startling discovery for scientists who have long believed early mammals couldn’t possibly attack and eat a dinosaur” (Verrengia, 2005). Not only do we now have additional proof of mammals coexisting with dinosaurs, but we also have scientific evidence of a large mammal eating a dinosaur! The authors discovered the fossil remains of two different mammals. One was 50% larger than previous mammal fossils that were considered to be living with the dinosaurs, and was named Repenomamus giganticus. The other, Repenomamus robustus was fully intact—and had a dinosaur in its stomach. Yaoming Hu and his colleagues noted:
During preparation of the specimen a patch of small bones was revealed within the ribcage, on the ventral sides of the posterior left thoracic ribs and vertebrae, where the stomach is positioned in extant mammals. Unduplicated dentition [teeth—BH], limb bones and phalanges [bones of the toes or “fingers”—] in the patch confirm that these bones belong to a juvenile individual of Psittacosaurus, an herbivorous dinosaur that is common in Jehol Biota. The serrated teeth in the patched skeleton are typical of juvenile Psittacosaurus. The skull and most of the skeleton of the juvenile Psittacosaurus are broken, disarticulated and displaced, in contrast to the preservation of the R. robustus skeleton, which is essentially in its original anatomical relation. Although fragmentary, the bones of the Psittacosaurus are packed in a restricted area. These conditions indicate that the juvenile skeleton of Psittacosaurus is the remaining stomach contents of the mammal (Hu, et al., 2005, 433:151).
To complicate matters, researchers reported in the April 18, 2002 issue of Nature, one of the premier science journals in the world, that they now have determined that the “last common ancestor of extant primates” existed (as dated by evolutionary dating methods) 85 million years ago (Tavaré, et al., 2002). Since dinosaurs are supposed to have died out 65 million years ago, that means the primate would have lived with the dinosaurs for at least 20 million years. One of the co-authors of the Nature paper, Christophe Soligo of London’s Natural History Museum, stated in regard to the find: “What we demonstrate is that modern orders of mammals appeared well before dinosaurs disappeared...” (see “Primate Ancestor Lived with Dinos,” 2002). So much for the belief that mammals evolved “just a tad later” than the dinosaurs.
Ica Burial Stones
Javier Cabrera Darquea came into possession of his first burial stone (from the Ica section of the country of Peru) when he was given one as a paperweight for his birthday. Ironically, he could recall his own father also possessing similar oddly carved stones that his family found in their fields in the 1930s. Dr. Darquea sought out the origin of his unique gift, in an effort to amass a collection of these unique stones, and eventually assembled over 11,000 of them. The rocks turned out to be ancient burial stones that the Inca Indians placed with their dead. Almost one-third of the stones depicted specific types of dinosaurs (such as Triceratops and Stegosaurus) and various pterosaurs. The type of art form represented by these stones, and their location, dated them to the time of the Inca Culture, c. A.D. 500-1500. How could these ancient Indians have known the anatomy of these creatures if they never had witnessed them firsthand?

Validation of these stones comes from a full understanding of their history. In the 1570s, the Indian historian and chronicler of the Incas, Juan de Santa Cruz Llamgui, wrote about the engraved stones. He noted that Conquistadors had taken some of the stones back to Spain, and wrote that at the time of the Inca Pachachuti, many carved stones had been found in the kingdom of Chinca, in Chinchayunga. On October 3, 1993, the OJO, Lima Domingo, a major newspaper based in Lima, Peru, reported a Spanish priest traveling in the area of Ica in 1525, inquiring about the unusual stones that had strange animals carved on them. These reports verify that the stones were in existence long before those discovered by Dr. Darquea. Since that time, other investigators have had the opportunity to observe stones in Nasca tombs, as well as to inspect the entire Darquea collection.
Interestingly, several Diplodocus-like dinosaurs on the stones have what appear to be dermal frills—something never previously reported by scientists. In 1992, however, dermal frills were found during an examination of fossilized remains of sauropods. In an article titled “New Look for Sauropod Dinosaurs,” paleontologist Stephen Czerkas noted:
Recent discovery of fossilized sauropod (diplodocid) skin impressions reveals a significantly different appearance for these dinosaurs. The fossilized skin demonstrates that a median row of [dermal] spines was present.... Some are quite narrow, and others are broader and more conical (1992, 20:1068).
Also, the skin of many of the carved dinosaurs resembled bumpy rosettes. For many years, scientists pointed to this as proof that these stones were not scientifically accurate. However, more recent discoveries of fossilized dinosaur skin and embryos have silenced the critics. In more than one report, these bumpy rosettes have been identified and discussed. In fact, one of the discoveries comes from the same continent as the Ica burial stones. Luis Chiappe and colleagues discussed sauropod dinosaur embryos, noting:
The general skin pattern consists of round, non-overlapping, tubercle-like scales.... A rosette pattern of scales is present in PVPH-130 [designation for one of the specimens—BH/BT] (Chiappe, et al., 1998, 396:259).
Again, we must ask: How could the Incas have drawn such accurate pictures of dinosaurs if they never had seen the animals (or had them described by someone who had seen them)? [For a discussion of Dr. Darquea’s research, see Swift, 1997].
Natural Bridges National Monument Petroglyph
Natural Bridges National Monument is located in a desolate area in southeastern Utah. Visitors to this site will see where the White River has carved meandering paths through the sandstone rock. Three natural bridges have formed where these wandering streams have undercut the above rock formations: Sipapu Bridge (the second largest natural bridge in the world); Kachina Bridge; and Owachomo Bridge. It is at Kachina Bridge where an Indian petroglyph depicting a dinosaur was discovered. In fact, visitors to the site can see three or four drawings that appear to be dinosaur-like creatures. Francis Barnes, an evolutionist and widely recognized authority on rock art of the American Southwest, had this to say about this find just outside of Blanding, Utah:
There is a petroglyph in Natural Bridges National Monument that bears a startling resemblance to a dinosaur, specifically a Brontosaurus, with long tail and neck, small head and all. In the San Rafael Swell, there is a pictograph that looks very much like a pterosaur, a Cretaceous flying reptile. The artists who created this “pterosaur,” and the “dinosaur,” could of course, have been trying to portray some other real or imagined creatures. But what about other animals seen on rock art panels, such as “impalas,” “ostriches,” “mammoths” and others that either are long extinct in the western hemisphere or were never here at all? Such anomalous rock art figures can be explained away, but they still tend to cast doubt upon the admittedly flimsy relative-time age-dating schemes used by archaeologists (Barnes and Pendleton, 1979, pp. 201-202).
If National Geographic is correct in stating that “no human being has ever seen a live dinosaur,” then whence came the models for these petroglyphs?
The Acambaro Figurines
On a bright and sunny morning in July 1944, Waldemar Julsrud, a German merchant in Acambaro, Mexico, found himself riding on horseback on the lower slope of El Toro (The Bull) Mountain. From his elevated vantage point, Mr. Julsrud spotted some partially exposed, hewn stones and a ceramic object half buried in the dirt. After climbing off his horse, he dug the stones (and a few ceramic pieces) out of the ground. Being somewhat archaeologically astute, Julsrud immediately realized that these artifacts were unlike anything that he had ever seen. The objects he held in his hand seemed distinctively different than those from other known Indian cultures. He eventually worked out a deal with a local farmer to excavate these precious pieces.
Eventually, over 33,500 figurines and artifacts of ceramic and stone (including some in jade) were uncovered. A key feature of this discovery was the fact that many of the artifacts were highly detailed dinosaur figurines. Charles Hapgood, a professor of history and anthropology at Keene State College (of the University of New Hampshire), became interested in the figurines and decided to investigate firsthand. Initially, Hapgood was a self-confessed (but open-minded) skeptic. However, after witnessing the excavations (even going so far as to dictate specific locations for the workers doing the digging), and after examining the figurines personally, he became a believer. He made his first visit to Acambaro in 1955, returned on numerous occasions, and eventually authored a book about his eighteen years of research into the figurines (see Hapgood, 2000). Consider the following measures, enacted to establish the authenticity of the Acambaro collection:
When Teledynes Isotopes laboratories performed dating tests on the carbon deposited during firing on ceramic samples submitted by Hapgood, dates of up to 4530 B.C. obtained. Arthur M. Young, the inventor of the Bell Helicopter, who had sponsored Hapgood’s investigation along with [Erle Stanley] Gardner [author of the Perry Mason mysteries—BH/BT], submitted Julsrud artifact samples [i.e., the Acambaro figurines—BH/BT] to the University of Pennsylvania for dating. Radiocarbon dating performed by Dr. Froelich Rainey in the laboratories of the University indicated that this culture may have been developed between 6,400 and 3,500 years ago. Additional tests using thermoluminescence method of dating pottery were performed. They produced dates of up to 4,500 B.P. (Before Present), or 2500 B.C., which upset the professional archaeologists and set off within the scientific and museum world a controversy over the accuracy of thermoluminescence dating. Retesting was done, and it was announced that because of anomalous factors in the clays it was impossible to determine an accurate date (Hapgood, p. 17).
According to David Childress, who penned the foreword to Hapgood’s book, the most recent thermoluminescence testing done on Acambaro pottery fragments (taken by Bill Cote and John H. Tierney during the filming of the video, Jurassic Art, in the early 1990s) obtained results of 3,975±55 B.P. (Hapgood, p. 18). Consider also the fact that teeth from an extinct ice-age horse, the skeleton of a woolly mammoth, and a number of human skulls also were found at the same site as the ceramic artifacts. Hapgood noted: “I later took these teeth to Dr. George Gaylord Simpson, America’s leading paleontologist, at the Museum of Natural History. He identified them as the teeth of Equus conversidans owen, an extinct horse of the ice age” (p. 82). Thus, the collection had evidence of extinct animals, human skulls, and dinosaur carvings from the same culture of people. But how could this be?
In 1999, Dennis Swift (who also was personally acquainted with Javier Darquea of Peru) made a trip to view the figurines. After receiving permission from the local authorities, he began to unwrap the ceramic figures. Dr. Swift noted:
There was an absolutely astonishing moment of breathless magnitude as one object was unwrapped and there before us was an Iguanodon dinosaur figurine. [For documentation on the Iguanodon discovery to which Swift alluded, see The Dinosaur Encyclopedia (Michael Benton, 1992, New York: Simon & Schuster, p. 80).]

Childress went on to note in an article titled “In Search of Sea Monsters”:
Adding to the mind-boggling aspects of this controversy is the fact that the Instituto Nacional de Antropologia e Historia through the late Director of Prehispanic Monuments, Dr. Eduardo Noguera, admitted “the apparent scientific legality with which these objects were found.” Despite evidence of their own eyes, however, officials declared that because of the objects’ “fantastic” nature, they had to have been a hoax! (no date).
This archaeological “hoax” presents insoluble problems for evolutionists. As Childress put it, “Most ‘respectable’ archaeologists will walk around the Acambaro mystery as if it were a land mine. The very existence of the figurines threatens the ivory tower of the current paradigm of history” (as quoted in Hapgood, 2000, p. 20).
Dinosaur Bones Only Thousands of Years Old?

In 1990, samples of various dinosaur bones were submitted for Carbon-14 dating to the University of Arizona’s department of geosciences’ laboratory of isotope geochemistry. Bones from an Allosaurus and an Acrocanthosaurus were among those sent to the university’s testing facilities to undergo a “blind” dating procedure (which means that the technicians performing the tests did not know that the bones had come from dinosaurs). Not realizing that the samples were from dinosaurs prevented “evolutionary bias,” and helped ensure that the results were as accurate as possible (within the recognized assumptions and limits of the C-14 dating method). We have in our possession—on the official stationery of the University of Arizona—a copy of the test results for the Allosaurus bones (see reproduction at right, sample B). Amazingly, the oldest C-14 date assigned to those bones was a mere 16,120 years (and only 23,760 years for the Acrocanthosaurus fossils; see Dahmer, et al., 1990). Both dates are a far cry from the millions of years that evolutionists suggest should be assigned to dinosaur fossils.
The Monster of Troy
The February 26, 2000 issue of Science News contained an article that diligently attempted to defuse a potential bomb within the evolutionary camp (Hesman, 2000). Sitting inside the Boston Museum of Fine Arts is an ancient Greek vase. This vase is covered by a series of somewhat unusual paintings, including one that is bewildering to both archaeologists and evolutionists. The vase portrays a monster that possesses the head of a dinosaur. And, to make matters worse, the images on the vase depict men and dinosaurs as coexisting.
Known as the Hesione vase, this elegant potteryware was created around 550 B.C., and depicts the Greek hero Heracles rescuing Hesione from the monster of Troy. The tale of the monster was first told by Homer in the eighth century B.C. In this legend, a terrifying monster suddenly appeared on the Trojan coast after a flood, and began preying on the farmers in the neighborhood of Sigeum. The king’s daughter, Hesione, was sent to be offered as a sacrifice to the monster, but according to the legend, Heracles arrived in time to kill it. The painting on the vase shows Hesione and Heracles battling the monster, with Hesione tossing rocks at it, and Heracles shooting arrows. You can understand the obvious plight of evolutionists when confronted with such imagery. Thus, in an effort to “explain” this artwork in light of evolutionary timescales, the editors of Science News concluded that the paintings on this unusual vase simply prove that ancient people dug fossils, too. They believe that this painting was the end result of fossils—possibly of an extinct giraffe—that were dug up thousands of years ago. What’s that old saying? If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a—giraffe?
Human Footprints with Dinosaur Tracks?
Consider also that in 1983, researchers reported in the science and engineering news section of The Moscow News that they had discovered what appeared to be a human footprint in 150-million-year-old Jurassic rock, next to a giant, three-toed dinosaur footprint. The article stated:
This spring, an expedition from the Institute of Geology of the Turkmen SSR Academy of Sciences found over 1,500 tracks left by dinosaurs in the mountains in the southeast of the Republic [Turkmen Republic—BH/BT]. Impressions resembling in shape a human footprint were discovered next to the tracks of prehistoric animals (see “Tracking Dinosaurs,” 1983, 24:10).
Naturally, this report has received precious little attention, given the mindset of evolutionists.
Historical Records of Flying Reptiles
Additional evidence for the coexistence of humans and dinosaurs is derived from various ancient writings. For instance, the largest creature ever known to have soared in the skies above the Earth was a pterosaur identified as Quetzalcoatlus (KWET-zal-COAT-lus). The fossil bones of one of these flying reptiles were unearthed in 1972 at Big Bend National Park in Texas. This Quetzalcoatlus had a wingspan of 48 feet (which is longer than some small airplanes!). While these giant birds are not classified scientifically as dinosaurs (since they are not strictly land-dwelling creatures, as dinosaurs were, by definition), they often are lumped into a group of animals known as “dinosaur-like” creatures. Notice the following quotation taken from Herodotus, a Greek historian from the fifth century B.C., who wrote:
There is a place in Arabia...to which I went, on hearing of some winged serpents; and when I arrived there, I saw bones and spines of serpents, in such quantities as it would be impossible to describe. The form of the serpent is like that of a water-snake; but he has wings without feathers, and as like as possible to the wings of a bat (1850, pp. 75-76, emp. added).
Herodotus knew of flying reptiles, and recognized that these creatures were neither birds, mammals, nor insects—but reptiles with wings. Notice also what the Jewish historian Josephus wrote 2,000 years ago about Moses and his army having a difficult time passing through a particular region because of the presence of flying serpents.
When the ground was difficult to be passed over, because of the multitude of serpents (which it produces in vast numbers...some of which ascend out of the ground unseen, and also fly in the air, and do come upon men at unawares, and do them a mischief)....
[Moses] made baskets like unto arks, of sedge, and filled them with ibes [i.e., birds], and carried them along with them; which animal is the greatest enemy to serpents imaginable, for they fly from them when they come near them; and as they fly they are caught and devoured by them (n.d., 2:10:2, emp. added).
Although these two historians do not mention the extremely large flying reptiles, they do record that snake-like winged creatures, which could fly, did live in the distant past. These reports are consistent with findings that A.H. Verrill reported in 1954 in his book, Strange Prehistoric Animals and Their Stories.
Primitive man, finding a fossil pterodactyl, might assume that the skeleton was that of some strange winged monster which still existed. Being totally ignorant of fossils and geology, an Indian or any other savage or semi-savage human being would never suspect that the bones had been reserved in rock for millions of years. Neither would it be possible for such primitive men to reconstruct mentally the creature as they appeared in life.... It is of course, inconceivable that the Cocle potter had first-hand knowledge of a living pterodactyl, ancient as the pottery is; yet had he been as familiar with the flying monsters as he was with pelicans and jaguars, he could not have depicted them more strikingly and accurately. Not only do the drawings show beak-like jaws armed with sharp teeth, but in addition the wings with two curved claws are depicted. Included also are the short, pointed tail, the reptilian head crest or appendages, and the strong hind feet with five-clawed toes on each (1954, pp. 55,57-58).
Obviously, the scientific evidence for the coexistence of dinosaurs and man speaks loudly, and yet it continues to fall on deaf ears within the evolutionary community. That silence, however, does little to change the documented facts, as we now know them.
CONCLUSION
Contrary to popular opinion, dinosaurs do not present a problem for creationists. In fact, quite the opposite is true. It is evolutionists who have a problem. While they continue to maintain, as the late paleontologist Roland T. Bird of the American Museum of Natural History once put it, that “no man had ever existed in the age of the reptiles” (1939, 43[5]:257), the evidence documents exactly the opposite.
The Mosaic record of the Creation is inexhaustively sublime. In it, we learn of the creation of the heavens and the Earth by an Almighty God. By divine fiat, light was formed and atmosphere was wrapped around this planet. Great seas were gathered together, and separated from dry land. The world of botany miraculously bloomed, and lights burst forth in the heavens. The waters swarmed with living creatures, and birds soared through the pristine air. Varieties of domestic animals and beasts were created and finally, man, the zenith of God’s creation, stood proudly upon the Earth’s bosom.
The dinosaur—one of the most majestic of God’s creatures—stood with man. No doubt they pondered each other’s existence. Today, we still stand amazed at these awesome giants. And as we do, their presence in the past should remind us of the magnificence of the God Who was able to speak them into existence by “the word of His power” (Hebrews 1:3). Awesome creatures—from the hand of an awesome Creator.
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Changing the weather through tantra

Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:28:51 GMT

http://tantra.tribe.net/thread/2f93b80b-6901-4f5e-ae52-3800a0856dae

From the front page. I have some ideas to put to this, and really, they won't mesh with what this person likely feels, so I'll put it here for thought. Maybe I'll join his discussion there also. It's a good read.

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The resurrection of Manners

Shmendrickalidocious — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 01:50:35 GMT

I am bringing up a violent time, in ancient China, when people were behaving so aggressively towards one another and provoking one another so much that the violence and anger as a cycle of never-ending revenge just kept feeding into itself.

In the midst of that time came a thinker who observed the problem, named Confucius.

His major premise was that he didn't think it was possible for human beings to transform themselves into something innately good or benign out of sincerity, that such people were really mythical and didn't exist, that there were no good men to be found. That the best one could hope to be is polite, that the discipline of politeness would reduce the friction between people and stop the level of violence.

We have disposed of a lot of manners from antiquity in our civilization, some were un-necessary. Some were necessary but the proponents of the manners forgot what they were necessary for, and just told people to behave in a certain way because it was proper... and offered noting more. Only in the absence of such manners do we find why it's useful.

For we live in an interesting time, first there was the brass knuckles politics of McCarthy (ahead of his time) and Nixon, then the talk radio show hosts, liberals themselves degraded. You didn't have to be polite anymore if you thought you were right and others were wrong. Then we saw pundits scream down one another on TV, cut one another off, not offer anything more than shouting out talking points with no insights as to why being offered. In the popular sphere as well manners disappeared, women were all bitches or else they were ho's in some pop generated cultures and treated as such depending on whether they'd put out or not. Sports athletes like Dennis Rodman and John McEnroe broke new grounds of bad behavior and made it popular and became role models and advocates for it.

On the internet we figure and get used to the notion that we can say things bluntly and provocatively, with the intention to upset people we disagree with about... anything... in a way it is unlikely we would have done to anyone's face, or at least in the beginning. Now I see that people are indeed used to communicating that way on the web, and are starting to be tactless and mannerless off the web as well.

So now we have a news week where a congressman shouts over a presidential address to our legislative branch "liar", we have a pop star Kanye West stealing the best moment of a teen pop star's life because he thought she shouldn't have won an award, we have a tennis star make death threats at a judge, we have people talking openly about shooting our president without a sense of shame.

I am seeing what manners is for, there are ways one can say or express things that don't piss people off bad enough to get them to respond back in the same way. Once it crosses a certain threshold where two people are like "I can't let them get away with saying that to me" to one another there is no stopping an escalation.

Not everyone needs codes of manners. There are people who are naturally empathetic, have what pop culture has a strong "emotional IQ", they don't need a set of rules to be tactful in fact that might hinder their effectiveness to improvise. True compassion cannot come from a set of rules, only empathy, love in the sense of "Agape" can.

But most people are not empathetic, most people are closed minded in many different levels or all of them, they have their point of view, they think they are right, they don't care about how others think and feel if it differs from them unless they think they can change it to theirs. They want what they want, a life that is simple, where they don't have to think, where they think as little as possible beyond defending the status quo of their lives whether they are happy in it or merely have gotten used to and tolerate it without satisfaction. These people need to have rules of manners, if they don't have them they'll rip one another apart like rats in a sack and they are the majority, empathetic people are in a minority. The manners prevents them from doing as much damage, and provoking one another too much, and they don't need to know why it is necessary... they just need to know that you do things this way "because it's the rules" or "because it is right" or "that's just the way it is supposed to be", even if they show a glimmer of intelligence but are mentally lazy "Because it makes life easier if you play by the rules".

I can't help but see the loss of manners as a really late stage of civilization and culture really getting down to deconstructing ourselves psychologically to the point of near savagery where soon the institutions of civilization itself will become insupportable that the people these institutions depend on who are their staff become so socially inept that cohesion and effectiveness falls apart in both public and private sectors, that family lives and institutions fall apart. Social cohesion now is becoming like worse than being reduced to atoms or particles, going sub atomic to where we are getting down to what Hobbs talked about in Leviathan... lives that will be short, nasty, and brutish.

So though I don't think the Codes of Confucius should be cut and pasted onto our current culture, but I do think that perhaps some kind of newer and more relevant code of conduct and manners needs to be invented to fulfill the same function as what he had accomplished.

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